The A380 Airbus

electraguy · Post by **electraguy** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:00 pm

Hello aviation people!!

I am just curious on everyones thoughts on the A380? My personal view is that this airplane will be the doom of Airbus in the industry, a big white elephant. Seems to be tough of CEO's too. Anyways I was curious what the rest of the avcanada group thought on the subject. Have a great day.

Fly fast, fly safe!

longjon · Post by **longjon** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:10 pm

My opinion is that it is going to sell and fly quite successfully, in a yr or so, maybe 2.

C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:50 pm

This same discussion occured when Boeing announced plans for a 747.

I'm curious what ticket prices will be like on comparable routes with 47's, 67's, 330's etc...

Jerricho · Post by **Jerricho** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:34 pm

IMO, the freight/cargo sector are going to love it.

Double Wasp · Post by **Double Wasp** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:55 pm

The only problem is that with the delays Fedex has already cancelled their orders for the freighter. The have decided to go with 777's instead. I believe they could not afford to wait any longer for the 380 so they opted for what they could get right now. They actually say it will work better for them as they can diversify their route structure a little more. Does anyone know what the 777 can haul compared to the MD-11 is it similar or more.

scubaflyer · Post by **scubaflyer** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:45 pm

No need for it, it's an untapped market of that volume for a reason. Filling seats is hard enough as it is, why would you want to throw in a few hundred more??

If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going!

electraguy · Post by **electraguy** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:51 pm

Ya i think that Boeing has the right idea with its new 787. The 380 is just too big, drains too much in resources both for the manufacturer and the airports it flys too. Its just a little too much for the market these days.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:56 pm

I have always been against the 380....It will never make an impact out of Asia....imagine if one of those things were to crash with Americans on it?....the lawsuits that would ensue...

I like the dreamliner approach

... · Post by **...** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:05 pm

scubaflyer wrote:
If it ain't Boeing, I'm not going!

Loving it!

Drive imported....fly domestic. Words to live by!

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:14 pm

I think the A380 may be a failure just because it is so damn ugly!!!!

This is what a successful aircraft looks like....

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:45 pm

Justwannafly wrote:....imagine if one of those things were to crash with Americans on it?....the lawsuits that would ensue...

So a completely packed 47-400 wouldn't have lawsuits? A few less, I realize that. Lawsuits don't factor into anything!

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:50 pm

You guys make me laugh.

The airplane WILL be a success once it's operational, it does make cents, and dollars for that matter, and once the manufacturing process is sorted out, all will be well.

They had these same discussions when the 47 came out... People a lot smarter, and with a lot better information than you have invested huge amounts in this project, it will fly. Pardon the pun.

STL

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:22 pm

I think the arguments against it in this thread have a certain amount of accuracy to them.. with regard to the North American market. I don't think we'll ever see a lot of A380's in service on this continent - certainly nowhere near as many 747's as there were when that a/c was at it's peak.

However, to claim the aircraft is going to be a failure because it doesn't fit perfectly into this particular market is just silly.

cloudcounter · Post by **cloudcounter** » Thu Jan 25, 2007 8:45 pm

I think its a bit of a jinx
-just like the Hindenberg

electraguy wrote:Hello aviation people!!

I am just curious on everyones thoughts on the A380? My personal view is that this airplane will be the doom of Airbus in the industry, a big white elephant. Seems to be tough of CEO's too. Anyways I was curious what the rest of the avcanada group thought on the subject. Have a great day.

Fly fast, fly safe!

invertedattitude · Post by **invertedattitude** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 12:29 pm

Jerricho wrote:IMO, the freight/cargo sector are going to love it.

Well FedEx dumped their orders, and UPS is considering doing the same... so we'll see.

YYC the place to be · Post by **YYC the place to be** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:20 pm

boeing has already went down the road of the double decker. They scrapped the Design. Joe Sutter the chief Engineer of the 747 project said in his book "747" that the 380 will not work. boeing has been there and done it. Sorry Airbus, but your shit computer box is not going to be a money maker.

Red1 · Post by **Red1** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 4:23 pm

one of the big problems right now is that they need to sell over 500 of the 380's to just brake even. originally it was around 250 ish, but with the delays and the various orders canceled it has gone up. The other problem the aircraft will face is the lack of airports that will be able to handle it. Will it make money, maybe but right now I think they are hoping it will just break even.

electraguy · Post by **electraguy** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:14 pm

Hey Skys the limit,

Some "smart" people also invented the spruce goose and it never found a market either. I think the 380 is just too large and unrealistic in price for it to make a go. The technical problems are far from being worked out of it and they are waaaay behind and over budget. That, in any business spells disaster. I like what was said before........

If it aint Boeing, I aint going!!

Bookem Lou · Post by **Bookem Lou** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:27 pm

I don't think you can compare the Spruce Goose to the A380. The H-4 was designed for a specific operator (US military) and a specific market (WWII) and that market dried up thankfully in 1945.

Pencil Driver · Post by **Pencil Driver** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:53 pm

I think JAL Will end up using a few of them on short hauls within the country. They already fill 747's, so it would make sense to configure them for 800 people and cut down on the number of commuter flights.

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:58 pm

All I know is that given the chance to fly on one as a pax, I'd jump on the oportunity... ONCE! Just to have a go at it and see it from the inside.

I would dread to do it again for the very simple reason that boarding, deplaning and waiting for luggage will waste more of my time... I hate flying commercially and dealing with the extra 100-150 sheep on the 380 won't change my mind.

Will they be using three bridges for it? Boarding a 747 is annoying ennough

Will it be a big success? Probably not. Will it be a failure? Definitely not.
On this continent it won't make much headway but in the pacific rim and oil rich countries it's going to sell.

I had a poll about the 380's future, check it out:
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... highlight=

Pygmie · Post by **Pygmie** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 9:38 pm

Big Pratt wrote:...
Will they be using three bridges for it? Boarding a 747 is annoying ennough

From what I understand most airports are adding a dedicated bridge for the upper deck.

N2 · Post by N2 » Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:49 pm

Too big for my liking I'll never fly on it!

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:02 pm

Come on N2, big planes need love too!

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:28 pm

electraguy wrote:Hey Skys the limit,

Some "smart" people also invented the spruce goose and it never found a market either. I think the 380 is just too large and unrealistic in price for it to make a go. The technical problems are far from being worked out of it and they are waaaay behind and over budget. That, in any business spells disaster. I like what was said before........

If it aint Boeing, I aint going!!

Actually,

A crazy recluse invented the Spruce Goose, but who's counting?

The 380 will be ok in the long run, and far as the last part of your statement, I'll fly on anything that gets me to where I want to go...

Besides, it won't matter much soon, we'll just get "beamed" everywhere we want to go.... "um, is this YOUR leg or mine?"

STL

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