anybody know how many more new hires for jazz this year?
How long to hold a block ? and whats the schedule like?
THX
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The last bid showed a requirement for at least 45 pilots. I would estimate at least another 50 in addition to that for the year do to attrition.
I you get the rj out of toronto you will be on reserve for at least 6 months more then likely more.
On the dash depending on if you get YUL or YYZ you could be off reserve in as little as 2 months.
Schedule on reserve is 18-19 days a month.
Blockholder is anywhere from 15-18 days a month.
I you get the rj out of toronto you will be on reserve for at least 6 months more then likely more.
On the dash depending on if you get YUL or YYZ you could be off reserve in as little as 2 months.
Schedule on reserve is 18-19 days a month.
Blockholder is anywhere from 15-18 days a month.
Not much point is asking for a breakdown in a course. We, the general public don't really get that info until the course itself. It'll have Dash 8 spots, RJ spots, whatever.
The number of new hires given for this year is 125. Subtract 27 for the first groundschool, and possibly a few others and you have somewhere between 80-90 new hires at Jazz this year, barring either a disaster or another big hiring wave at West Jet or AC.
Lifestyle, meh, pretty much the same I think. Dash 8 pilots go out and back, out and back. The RJ does some of that, and sometimes place to place to place out one way and then the other. But I've only got my turboprop perspective.
The number of new hires given for this year is 125. Subtract 27 for the first groundschool, and possibly a few others and you have somewhere between 80-90 new hires at Jazz this year, barring either a disaster or another big hiring wave at West Jet or AC.
Lifestyle, meh, pretty much the same I think. Dash 8 pilots go out and back, out and back. The RJ does some of that, and sometimes place to place to place out one way and then the other. But I've only got my turboprop perspective.
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I know most people, given the choice, would choose the jet when hired, but keep this in mind:
I was hired on the jet in April, and in February I will be about halfway up the reserve seniority list. Guys hired on the dash AFTER me have been holding a pretty nice block for a while working 15-16 days a month vs. my 18-19. And they do 1 - 2 overtime days a month to end up making over $1000 more take-home than me (I try to work overtime to boost the bottom line a bit but they don't seem to need RJ FO's that bad so I don't get called). Reserve here isn't so bad so I don't really mind but it's something to consider. The reason for this is pretty simple: People bid off the dash to fly the RJ but not the other way around.
So if you're wondering what's the better choice lifestyle-wise, I'd go Dash. Having said that the RJ is a REALLY fun plane to fly and like I said reserve isn't the end of the world.
I was hired on the jet in April, and in February I will be about halfway up the reserve seniority list. Guys hired on the dash AFTER me have been holding a pretty nice block for a while working 15-16 days a month vs. my 18-19. And they do 1 - 2 overtime days a month to end up making over $1000 more take-home than me (I try to work overtime to boost the bottom line a bit but they don't seem to need RJ FO's that bad so I don't get called). Reserve here isn't so bad so I don't really mind but it's something to consider. The reason for this is pretty simple: People bid off the dash to fly the RJ but not the other way around.
So if you're wondering what's the better choice lifestyle-wise, I'd go Dash. Having said that the RJ is a REALLY fun plane to fly and like I said reserve isn't the end of the world.
Thx again for all the great info!
Rem where are you based ? is that normal to be on reserve from april until febuary!
I am through the interview and sim just waiting for my medical! Big decision for me my current job is pretty cosey but i like the security and beneifits that come along with a bigger operation like Jazz> Just a bit worried that now that they are getting to the end of the hiring i will be on reserve for a long.... time.
Is it possible if you are a commuter to bid long stretches ie..7 or 8 days on instead of short pairings and if so are they hard to get when your junior? What are the rules with commuting with regards to having to make it to work, what if flights are full.
Just trying to get an idea if it is stressfull being a commuter!
Sorry guys these could be all dumb questions , I know nothing about the airline industry. Just trying to get well informed incase i make it through the medical.
Rem where are you based ? is that normal to be on reserve from april until febuary!
I am through the interview and sim just waiting for my medical! Big decision for me my current job is pretty cosey but i like the security and beneifits that come along with a bigger operation like Jazz> Just a bit worried that now that they are getting to the end of the hiring i will be on reserve for a long.... time.
Is it possible if you are a commuter to bid long stretches ie..7 or 8 days on instead of short pairings and if so are they hard to get when your junior? What are the rules with commuting with regards to having to make it to work, what if flights are full.
Just trying to get an idea if it is stressfull being a commuter!
Sorry guys these could be all dumb questions , I know nothing about the airline industry. Just trying to get well informed incase i make it through the medical.
when I used to commute, I usually bid 5 on and 5 off type of Sked and I got it in YUL as a junior Dash FO. And I mostly worked 15 days per month. Its true though, you would get a block quicker on the dash rather than the RJ. There is going to be close to 100 guys being hired this year so you shouldn't be on reserve very long on the Dash.
The dash is great, love it, great move on the list, I'm entering the top 1/3 of the list after 17month, I get what I want, I don't work Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays, If I have to work Mondays It has to be PM......Worth the salary cut I took.... sad I 'll leave my seat in the fall to go to AC, just like at least another 10 other Dash FO in YYZ before the end of the year...... they should have upgrades and PFOed FO going the RJ too.... If you want Jet time, get it, it You want a life take the Dash...
Good luck
Good luck
I'm based in YYZ. As far as what's normal re. reserve, it depends on who you talk to. The guys who got hired near the beginning spent 2 weeks on reserve and now have a pretty sweet block. The guys with 6-7 years seniority spent that whole time on reserve or layoff so ten months (and counting) for me isn't so bad.
Re commuting, I'm not into that so I can only tell you what I've observed. It seems like even junior blockholders can hold long stretches on followed by long stretches off to go home. I've flown with captains who do that, and believe me by day 12 they're not having that much fun. On reserve you can't go more than 5 days in a row without a day off (don't ask me why) so the longest single stretch you're likely to get off is 6 days, at least that's the best I've been able to do. Therefore commuting on reserve is not fun unless you like crash pads and hotels. If you want to commute, definitely take the Dash if you can even if it isn't in your first choice of bases. That's just my opinion but the shine wears off any plane pretty fast when it comes at the price of a crappy lifestyle. I don't commute so at least when I don't get called on reserve I get to hang with my family!
When commuting back to work you need to leave yourself a couple of flights leeway if you don't want to get in trouble when you can't get on a flight. I'm oversimplifying, but if you do that and can't get to work you'll be OK.
Any more questions, ask away! There are lots of guys who wish they asked the questions you are before taking the job and the better educated you are when you make the decision the better off you'll be!
Cheers
Re commuting, I'm not into that so I can only tell you what I've observed. It seems like even junior blockholders can hold long stretches on followed by long stretches off to go home. I've flown with captains who do that, and believe me by day 12 they're not having that much fun. On reserve you can't go more than 5 days in a row without a day off (don't ask me why) so the longest single stretch you're likely to get off is 6 days, at least that's the best I've been able to do. Therefore commuting on reserve is not fun unless you like crash pads and hotels. If you want to commute, definitely take the Dash if you can even if it isn't in your first choice of bases. That's just my opinion but the shine wears off any plane pretty fast when it comes at the price of a crappy lifestyle. I don't commute so at least when I don't get called on reserve I get to hang with my family!
When commuting back to work you need to leave yourself a couple of flights leeway if you don't want to get in trouble when you can't get on a flight. I'm oversimplifying, but if you do that and can't get to work you'll be OK.
Any more questions, ask away! There are lots of guys who wish they asked the questions you are before taking the job and the better educated you are when you make the decision the better off you'll be!
Cheers
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Nicely said! Have you begun to take showers on a regular basis now?pilotbzh wrote:The dash is great, love it, great move on the list, I'm entering the top 1/3 of the list after 17month, I get what I want, I don't work Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays, If I have to work Mondays It has to be PM......Worth the salary cut I took.... sad I 'll leave my seat in the fall to go to AC, just like at least another 10 other Dash FO in YYZ before the end of the year...... they should have upgrades and PFOed FO going the RJ too.... If you want Jet time, get it, it You want a life take the Dash...
Good luck
Stop knocking the french culture though.
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Go Around.
There are a lot of direct flights to just about to anywhere out of YYZ so if you plan to commute, depending where you live that might be your best bet.
Having asid that I don't commute but I travel quite frequently to visit family out west and about 70% of the time I connect through YYZ ( I am YUL based).
Schedule on the block, average 15 days (Give or take 2) and you can bet on 10 nights away from home base.
I have flown with pilots and FA's that commute and some do 8 on 6 off, 10, 10 off etc (again it depends on seniority, but the block builders will try to accomodate you the best they can).
Also with perdiems, you can plan on $600-$800 on average above your salary. Still not stellar but it sure helps!
Pretty much everything else that was said in tis topic pretty much bang on.
Good luck and Hopefully you will get the call soon.
Reserve IMHO is not bad if you live at your home base, if you don't get called you just stay home, If you commute you may have to sit at a crashpad all day. Mind you you can call crewsched the night before to see if there is any open flying available, and you can bid on it too. When I did reserve, about 3/4 of the time I knew what I was doing the night before!
I am on the Dash and I love it, great airplane, ....well except for landing it on dry pavement
Cheers
There are a lot of direct flights to just about to anywhere out of YYZ so if you plan to commute, depending where you live that might be your best bet.
Having asid that I don't commute but I travel quite frequently to visit family out west and about 70% of the time I connect through YYZ ( I am YUL based).
Schedule on the block, average 15 days (Give or take 2) and you can bet on 10 nights away from home base.
I have flown with pilots and FA's that commute and some do 8 on 6 off, 10, 10 off etc (again it depends on seniority, but the block builders will try to accomodate you the best they can).
Also with perdiems, you can plan on $600-$800 on average above your salary. Still not stellar but it sure helps!
Pretty much everything else that was said in tis topic pretty much bang on.
Good luck and Hopefully you will get the call soon.
Reserve IMHO is not bad if you live at your home base, if you don't get called you just stay home, If you commute you may have to sit at a crashpad all day. Mind you you can call crewsched the night before to see if there is any open flying available, and you can bid on it too. When I did reserve, about 3/4 of the time I knew what I was doing the night before!
I am on the Dash and I love it, great airplane, ....well except for landing it on dry pavement
Cheers
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For commuting you need to show (i.e. that you checked in) and where able to get to work at least 2 flights before you needed to be there. And I believe there is a minimum time of arrival of 45 minutes from your flights arrival until your check in.
The deal is if you where ready to commute and had one flight and a backup before you had to be there then there is no harm no foul. The down side is that if you don't make it then you don't get paid.
It seems that most people that commute have no problem with it and if they know that the Wx is going to be bad they may come in the day before just to be safe. There are a TON of commuters in YYZ.
Good luck hope to see you in the crew room soon, it is a good place to work except the pay of course but that has been done to death.
Later
The deal is if you where ready to commute and had one flight and a backup before you had to be there then there is no harm no foul. The down side is that if you don't make it then you don't get paid.
It seems that most people that commute have no problem with it and if they know that the Wx is going to be bad they may come in the day before just to be safe. There are a TON of commuters in YYZ.
Good luck hope to see you in the crew room soon, it is a good place to work except the pay of course but that has been done to death.
Later
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Pension is pretty good. You contribute 5% of your salary.
A rough estimate is after 25 years service, over 40k per year till you croak...30 yrs its over 50k and lastly 35 yrs and its over 60k. If you die, then a percentage transfers to your spouse. Mandatory retirement is 65 yrs.
A rough estimate is after 25 years service, over 40k per year till you croak...30 yrs its over 50k and lastly 35 yrs and its over 60k. If you die, then a percentage transfers to your spouse. Mandatory retirement is 65 yrs.
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More than half of the positions on the latest bid is out of YYZ.
Jazz does have a pension plan which you automatically beocme a member when you start.
It is formula based on your years of service, highest earnings (any 3 consecutive years), and you conributions to the account. Your contributions is 5% of you salary.
Jazz does have a pension plan which you automatically beocme a member when you start.
It is formula based on your years of service, highest earnings (any 3 consecutive years), and you conributions to the account. Your contributions is 5% of you salary.
