Seneca college (Bachelor of Applied Technology)

Pilot_adam · Post by **Pilot_adam** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:08 am

Hey there

Anyone here goes to the Seneca college flight program (Bachelor of Applied Technology) ??

Is it still government subsidized training or do you have to pay for the flight training from your own pocket ??

I checked out the website and 4 years seems a lot for the training you get ...

http://www.senecac.on.ca/fulltime/FPR.html

I am thinking of registering for Sept 2007 but want to get more information about the program;

Thanks
Adam

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:19 am

I've heard that it is very competitive... so much so that guys will stab each other in the back to make themselves look better....

But that just what I've heard from a few former students... they're both good pilots and thats what counts in the long run

jetway · Post by **jetway** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:46 am

Krashman wrote:guys will stab each other in the back to make themselves look better....

So, their training really does reflect your first couple years in the industry, except for the white shirt crap.

fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:52 am

Yes, Seneca is still subsidized by the Ontario Government. You pay ~$40K instead of ~$75K+ which you'd pay for other unsubsidized aviation degree programs.

Four years is a long time but it's not because of the flight training, it's because you're completing a four year applied degree.

The program is very competitive because there are only a limited number of spots available to students to progress.

Try looking at the other two subsidized colleges, Sault and Confederation.

Grey_Wolf · Post by **Grey_Wolf** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:48 pm

guys will stab each other in the back to make themselves look better.... So, their training really does reflect your first couple years in the industry, except for the white shirt crap.

Yup ... gotta love the speech on day one: "look around you, to your left and to your right, by the end of the year, only 1 of you will continue".

RVR6000 · Post by **RVR6000** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:30 pm

If you study hard, and get good grades you will make the cut.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:55 am

RVR6000 wrote:If you study hard, and get good grades you will make the cut.

Unless everyone else studies a bit harder and gets slightly better grades...

As I understand it, if you get 96% and everyone else gets 96.1%, you're f__ed. Yeah, that fosters a healthy learning environment.

DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:45 pm

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cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:06 pm

DavidClark wrote:I'm a Seneca Student. Great School, the best planes out of any flight school in Canada and great teachers.

Seneca has many flight instructors that are either captains or first officers at Jazz or Air Canada that provide a lot of insight into the real aviation Business.

LOL

Anyone else that went to Seneca that has seen these A/C captains teaching people how to fly in the 152's?

DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:27 pm

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fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:28 pm

Holy shit, C172s! Must be a flight school first.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:55 pm

DavidClark wrote: haha that would be a sight to behold.. but seneca has a new fleet of 172's with leather interiors! and a fleet of bonanza's and a fleet of Barons.. all in top shape. Seneca use to contract out the training to toronto airways not any more though..

Wasn't aware of that... Very well...

DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:55 pm

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DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:58 pm

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C-GPFG · Post by **C-GPFG** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:05 pm

No doubt they have a good fleet of 172S's, F33s and B58s.

Lately I've been asked repeatidly about Jazz hiring a certain amount of grad's each year. Is this the reason for the RJ sim?

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:23 pm

Ah yes, come to our flight school, we have the best planes in the country and our grads get hired by Air Canada every year. Also, upon graduation, we'll give you a gold watch that contains the start procedure for every type of jet made and displays the information on a holographic projection.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:33 pm

" ya those 150's are brutal i've rented one before i leveled out of a climb to fast and the engine almost quite on me.. i guess thats expected in a carburated plane? "

If you are learning in the best training school in Canada how come you have to ask such a basic question?

DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:48 pm

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DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:49 pm

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Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:12 pm

I'm still mystified.

What is almost quit?

Tell me what happened and what you think caused it.

I just love mystries.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:33 pm

DavidClark wrote:
mellow_pilot wrote:

Ah yes, come to our flight school, we have the best planes in the country and our grads get hired by Air Canada every year. Also, upon graduation, we'll give you a gold watch that contains the start procedure for every type of jet made and displays the information on a holographic projection.
please read before commenting... i did not say we get hired by air canada every year.. and if seneca does not have the best planes please prove me wrong.

I know you didn't say you got hired by AC. Someone else made a comment about jazz and the RJ sims. It's basically the same story the whole country over, every flight school says they're the best and then the students buy into it.

Have you been to every flight school in the country? If not, how could you possibly know Seneca has 'the best' planes? And best how? Best performing? Best maintained? Best looking? If you want to look at thier main competitors, Sault's planes have better inverted capability, and Confed's do a whole lot better on the water. Of course, the Barron is a bit faster than anything those two can offer, but hey, that's what I'm saying!!! You need to qualify these wild statements.

I bet there are a few flight schools in Canada with planes that do aerobatics better than Seneca's do. Also a few who's planes have better feul economy, some with better payloads, some with better vertical take-off performance... it's a rediculous statement to simply say "we're the best". It shows that you've bought into the party line. All I'm saying is not to be taken in by the glossy brochure. Sure Seneca's a good school, no one said it wasn't, but please don't just regurgitate the pamphlet.

It's like the flight schools who say "Jon H. Pilot, a former student of Super Lucky Flight School and Schwarma Shoppe, is now employed by Air Canada!" One thing has little to do with the other. I'm sure Jon did a little work between the two. Pretty much every flight school in the country could make that claim.

Having turbine sims does not a great school make.

I nearly shit myself when I read the Vital page... they didn't lie!!! They didn't make outrageous claims about how cheap they're prices were, it was shocking! (well, they did have a picture of a former student with a Tudor...)

Again, not hating Seneca, just the half-truths and out right lies from all the flight schools.

DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:53 pm

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mcrit · Post by **mcrit** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:54 pm

I've done instructor ratings for grads from Confed, Sault and Seneca. Sault grads have by far the best hands and feet. The year I was at the Webster finals ('98) the one Seneca guy that made it lost out to a Confed guy. 2nd place went to the hometown boy who had trained at Aerotaxi in YHU. I beat the other Seneca guy out at the regional level. A pretty plane does not a pilot make.
Now, to all you other Seneca people out there, I know you are OK guys and gals, so please understand that I'm just winding up Mr. Clark here. I'm by no means trying to slag any school en mass. (Well...just for old times sake ...'Western U, Western U couldn't get into Waterloo!')

DavidClark · Post by **DavidClark** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:00 pm

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fingersmac · Post by **fingersmac** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:18 pm

C-GPFG wrote:Lately I've been asked repeatidly about Jazz hiring a certain amount of grad's each year. Is this the reason for the RJ sim?

It's suppose to happen this year as a trial, and not just from Seneca. A handful of colleges have been considered and only a couple students from each will be selected. And it's only for an interview. How many they actually decide on hiring..? Who knows.