ATPL

Phillip Banks · Post by **Phillip Banks** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:47 pm

I know this has been posted before but I want to see if there is any new info.

I'm going to be writing the SAMRA and SARON soon. I'm doing it without the aerocourse (too expensive)

So has anyone written recently, any advice would help.

Treetops · Post by **Treetops** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:56 pm

I also choose not to do the Aerocourse, I don't need to pay hundreds of dollars for the answers.

Weather Command, AIM and various other study references. Was not really that hard, I studied for around 2-3 days for each and scored in the low 80s on both.

Good luck. I tell you one thing I am glad they are over with.

bigpinky · Post by **bigpinky** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:57 pm

I am also in the same boat. I do have the aerocourse workbook though. I am going through it and then getting into the CARs and the ACWM and hopefully that should do the trick. Lets hear some success stories on the ATPL.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:09 pm

I agree with the above. Aerocourse workbook and the AIM contains everything you need to know. You can order the aerocourse workbook online from Aviation World.

http://www.aviationworld.net/product.as ... 17&cID=129

tundratire · Post by **tundratire** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:02 pm

Wrote the Saron last friday. I went through aerocourse workbook 3rd and new(4th edition) Saw 75/80 questions in the aerocourse book that were on my saron.
Studied for 4 days(4 hrs a day)
Samra next week.

bigpinky · Post by **bigpinky** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:19 pm

Thanks for the info Tundratire, I have the 4th edition aerocourse- do you think that will be enough?

noisyride · Post by **noisyride** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:42 pm

I studied by only using the Aerocourse workbook (didn't do the course), and did well on both. Just go through the workbook and make sure you understand and can get most of the questions correct. As others have said, know the formulas and you'll be fine.
Good luck!

tundratire · Post by **tundratire** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:46 pm

Hey
I also read through the GS Manual front to back. And then went through EVERY question in the Aerocourse third/fourth edition.
And MEMORIZE the equations....crutial...the first u do when u sit down is write them on the paper they supply.

For what its worth( and i should of got several of these right but didnt)
I had to "recall"

-calculate flight time
-critical point(forgot GS home instead of GS out on the top of the equation)
-erroneous indications of an attitude indicator
-atpl medical privileges
-declared distance definitions(asda tora etc.)
-prop malfunctions
-life preservers
-dangerous goods validity(i put 12 months i think the answer is 6 months)
-windshear recovery techniques
hope this helps
Good luck

willie tucker · Post by **willie tucker** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:57 pm

I did the course a while back and found it not bad but if you could get ahold of some books from the pro ifr course I found them a big help. The illustrations made things a whole lot easier to remember. It seemed that mr montgomery has some good tips for remembering some of the key points that will give you some free marks.

Youngback · Post by **Youngback** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:16 am

Just did both the exams this past week and got low 90's. Had the Aerocourse workbook, the study guide, the AIM, and the Air Command Weather manual. Studied for a week. Didn't bother with the seminar. PM me and I'll send you an email with some of the questions I got.

shower of sparks · Post by **shower of sparks** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:07 am

could someone clarify the 50% co-pilot time credit? i have approx 750tt most of it is pic. if i get a job as sic and log another 750 hrs bringing me to 1500 hrs is that good enough to qualify for the atpl (provided that i have the night, instrument and x-country times)? or is that 750 hrs sic only like 375 hrs?

sos

ditshisturber · Post by **ditshisturber** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:20 am

shower of sparks wrote:...is that 750 hrs sic only like 375 hrs?

sos

Yup

tundratire · Post by **tundratire** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:47 am

Apparently...by this summer, all aircraft required to have two pilots(in the flight manual) and aircraft requiring two pilots in a company ops manual will allow u to log co-pilot time one for one. Not 100% on the exact date that this will come into effect.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:07 pm

tundratire wrote:Apparently...by this summer, all aircraft required to have two pilots(in the flight manual) and aircraft requiring two pilots in a company ops manual will allow u to log co-pilot time one for one. Not 100% on the exact date that this will come into effect.

does anyone have more info on this...Ive heard it around the water cooler....but do we have anything with a TC stamp on it?

aileron · Post by **aileron** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:43 pm

Quite a bit written on this already: Changing of Co-Pilot time towards ATPL

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:13 pm

aileron wrote:Quite a bit written on this already: Changing of Co-Pilot time towards ATPL

yea but that is all hearsay & conjection..I was hoping someone had found something publish'd by TC about it.

AaronCawsey · Post by **AaronCawsey** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:44 am

One other thing. Never underestimate From the Ground up. Been using that book since I was 14 and I'm still amazed at what it has in it that books 3x as expensive like . don't.

aileron · Post by **aileron** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:47 am

Nothing under the NPA index, or search: NPA Search for 421.10

General Aviation Advisory Circular 2005-03 is the closest thing to an actual explanation of the 50% so far allowed.
For Reference:
421.10 Crediting of Flight Time Acquired by a Co-pilot
The holder of a pilot licence may be credited not more than 50% of co-pilot flight time towards the total flight time required for the issuance of a higher class of pilot licence.

AaronCawsey wrote:One other thing. Never underestimate From the Ground up. Been using that book since I was 14 and I'm still amazed at what it has in it that books 3x as expensive like . don't.

Umm ya, my thoughts exactly. LOL

185_guy · Post by **185_guy** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 6:37 am

BUMP

just looking for any more info, if its possible from anyone who has written the exams lately. Im sure they havent changed though.........

Crazymax · Post by **Crazymax** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:59 am

So, Flying a Dash 8 as FO, you log Co Pilot time and can't get credit for all of it (only half)?

Max

Zy · Post by Zy » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:56 am

That's correct Max, it only counts as half.

Just wrote mine not to long ago. For the SARON I simply went through the aerocourse book. I had the 3rd edition information book and the 4th edition questions. That worked well.

The SAMRA, I read the whole met part in From the Ground Up and the C. books. Also did the C. SAMRA exams and went through the aerocourse questions. No matter what anyone says those books worked awesome. I would recommend reading through those if you have them. I saw alot of questions that were from the . exams as well. Don't just memorize, understand, they like to reword the questions to screw you up a bit.

Crazymax · Post by **Crazymax** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 8:59 am

Zy wrote:That's correct Max, it only counts as half.

Just wrote mine not to long ago. For the SARON I simply went through the aerocourse book. I had the 3rd edition information book and the 4th edition questions. That worked well.

The SAMRA, I read the whole met part in From the Ground Up and the ********** books. Also did the ********** SAMRA exams and went through the aerocourse questions. No matter what anyone says the ********** books worked awesome. I would recommend reading through those if you have them. I saw alot of questions that were from the . exams as well. Don't just memorize, understand, they like to reword the questions to screw you up a bit.

Weird. Military types log is as First Pilot but with their name in the Co Pilot column. Is that the same civy wise? I was talking to a AC FO on the 320 and he was saying that it was the way he was logging his hours too...

Max

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 9:07 am

So, Flying a Dash 8 as FO, you log Co Pilot time and can't get credit for all of it (only half)?

Dash 8, the Concorde... if you are not the Pilot-in-Command, it doesn't count 100% towards the PIC requirements. Only 50%. Mind you, you see very few 1500 hour captains at Jazz, so the point is moot.

The exception to this is that 100 hours of flying in a PIC under supervision program count directly. If your company has this in your ops manual, then once trained for left seat duties you may log command time on non-pax legs at the discretion of the Captain.

This is often a saving grace for copilots who did not fly any night cross-country time duing their build-up time.

Of course, I know of a half dozen of my FO's will have completed the requirements for an ATPL ... about a week before they change the regulation.