CL-215, CL-415 JOBS

4930s · Post by **4930s** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:21 am

Does anyone have any info (Website, or Email) on where I can send a resume for a Fire Bombing job in Ontario, Alberta, or anywhere really that is operating this type of equipment. (I dont speak french, Quebec probably not an option).

Also what their requirements are, not the min requirements, but who are they actually hiring?

Thanks

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:42 am

Do not bother to to send a resume to Ontario as they don't keep any on file. They post all jobs available at http://www.gojobs.gov.on.ca/mbs/gojobs/gojobs.nsf and will select candidates from those applications only.

I think you may be a little late as we just filled 3 Captain and 5 Co-pilot slots. Like a said many time before if you want to fly a CL-415 your best bet is to get a contract flying a Turbo Beaver.

Probes Down · Post by **Probes Down** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:05 am

Just to add to what CLguy said, if you use the "job archive" link on the gojob website and search for pilot it will bring up some old job postings and they list the OMNR requirements.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 8:36 am

Congratulations Little Buddy from the Skipper.

Just make sure they have you on the Compressed Wrk yr.

I think you may be a little late as we just filled 3 Captains and 5 Co-pilots

True but all except for 1 co-pilot were hired from within.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:49 am

Told 'ya so - OMNR hiring is a farce - you can only start at the bottom.

North Shore · Post by **North Shore** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 9:55 am

4930s, check pm's.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:18 am

xsbank wrote:Told 'ya so - OMNR hiring is a farce - you can only start at the bottom.

You might not like it but it keeps the riff raff out!

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:32 am

xsbank tell that to the fellow who just got hired off the street to a permanent job in the right seat of a 415 or the 2 other guys who got hired last season off the street to a 6 month contract in the right seat that now have permanent jobs on the 415. Let me do the math, that is 3 out of 5 positions or 60% of the jobs that went to pilots with no time or very little time with the OMNR.

You're starting to sound a little bitter!

Tui · Post by **Tui** » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:41 pm

xsbank wrote:Told 'ya so - OMNR hiring is a farce - you can only start at the bottom.

Aside from the fact that they're forced to post jobs by the government I think this makes them just like most other companies. Since some of the Beaver pilots don't have IFR tickets or don't want to move up, that means that the OMNR must hire from the outside for their Beaver and Twotter positions. Including the 415 FO that “came from the outside” it sounds like the only positions unlikely to be filled from the outside are the 415 and King Air Captains. Some farce. Four of the six possible pilot positions "realistically" open to the outside industry. (The other is the King Air FO who is technically the very bottom of the pay scale.) I think you're accusing them of taking care of their own. Too bad more companies aren't like this.

Cod Father · Post by **Cod Father** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:12 pm

Have you tried Alberta's Department of Sustainable Resource Development? They are in the process of converting their CL-215's to CL-215 Turbos

bigsky · Post by **bigsky** » Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:36 pm

Cod Father wrote:Have you tried Alberta's Department of Sustainable Resource Development? They are in the process of converting their CL-215's to CL-215 Turbos

I could be wrong but I think that the Alberta Govt. contracts the 215's to Airspray. Therefore you apply to Airspray for the position on one of the 215's.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 12:11 am

Actually, I am not the least bit bitter. None.

I don't want to work there, I gave up fire-bombing ages ago and driving a duck would bore me to tears; besides Ontario is too flat. What I wanted to point out is that all the jobs that can be filled are done so from within - I think that should be so. I never said that was wrong.

What I did say was that nobody should get too excited by these postings, they are almost always filled from within, and the usual positions filled from outside are the very bottom jobs, not the cushy captain's positions and that's exactly what happened. Now you point out to me that there is an exception and somebody got hired for the right seat on a duck. Show me how I'm wrong?

If you respond for a job on a duck, you are invited for an interview and you get to do all the hoop-jumping but you will not get it because they always give it to the guys who already work there. It is a farce that these jobs are posted to the public. Did the 'new' duck f.o. have a duck type? Did he work there before? Dollars to doughnuts he was not a stranger.
Show me how I'm wrong?

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:51 am

Did the 'new' duck f.o. have a duck type? Did he work there before? Dollars to doughnuts he was not a stranger.
Show me how I'm wrong?

No he did not have a duck type and no he didn't work here before. He came from a small float operator in the YSB area I'm told. In fact the other pilots that were hired on contract last year and in prior years had zero duck time also and were never employed here before their contracts. I remember a couple of pilots that came on to the 215 program straight into captains positions,
So there goes your theory.

driving a duck would bore me to tears; besides Ontario is too flat.

With attitudes and views like that maybe it's a good thing you gave up.

We take the show on the road you realize, with B.C. Alaska, Alberta, Yukon, and recently the Allegany region of Pennsylvania have been frequent stops the last few years. Besides that in Ontario we do much more of the inter-urban stuff than our western and northern neighbours which adds considerably to the degree of job satisfaction.

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:25 am

Bigsky the Alberta Gov't 215's are contracted to Conair in BC to operate for them and no the conversion process has not yet began. Seems lots of people are waiting for it but as of yet Bombardier has not been able to deliver the conversions.

Can't understand why a province like Alberta that is awash in cash would get involved with converting old airframes when they certainly could afford to buy new 415's.

bigsky · Post by **bigsky** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 8:47 am

CLguy wrote:Bigsky the Alberta Gov't 215's are contracted to Conair in BC to operate for them and no the conversion process has not yet began. Seems lots of people are waiting for it but as of yet Bombardier has not been able to deliver the conversions.

Can't understand why a province like Alberta that is awash in cash would get involved with converting old airframes when they certainly could afford to buy new 415's.

I was in Lac La Biche a year or so ago, I saw a few blue and yellow 215's with Airspray on them. Just assumed they were the Alberta Govt. aircraft.

Are they manufacturing new 415's now? I thought the factory had closed it's doors.

120@8' · Post by **120@8'** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 9:01 am

Air Spray own's 3 CL-215's which are based out of Lac La Biche and are on contract with Alberta Forestry.

Conair operates the 4 CL-215's which are owned by the Alberta Government. They are usually based out of Slave Lake.

The Alberta owned machines are suppose to get converted to turbines as soon as the kits are ready. I think they were planning to convert one plane a year as it is a huge job to do the convertion.

Adanac · Post by **Adanac** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:24 pm

I have been chopping away at the Waterbombing tree for over seven years now and finally got the call this year! Man am I pumped.

The whole hoop jumping thing is the same with any line of this industry! You just have to pick the road you want.

As for flying a duck would bore you to tears?!?

Unless you are going to be towing a target for the military or spray drug crops in Columbia, I don't think there is anything else out there more exciting or demanding!

Unless I missed it and it IS more demanding and exciting to monitor the auto pilot transition from climb to cruise, calling level at FL360, then pressing the call button for my coffee and then, checking the WX at my destination 8 hours away.

The guys that do chose to do this, good for you! Its just not for me.

I for one am looking forward to this season and being part of the industry that is different than the rest!

Cheers!

Adanac

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 2:26 pm

Adanac:

That is great, fire bombing is a neat job.

You will also have lots of time sitting at tanker bases on call so I hope you like playing cards and watching porn.

" I don't think there is anything else out there more exciting or demanding! "

Well I can think of two flying jobs that are far more damanding stick and rudder, Airshow aerobatics and Aerial application...

B U T flying tankers is a lot safer for the simple reason you don't have to fly as accurate and you can push a button and like magic you have an empty airplane.

So of the three fire bombing is probably the best.

Soo...here is to your new job!!

Cat

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:39 pm

Are they manufacturing new 415's now? I thought the factory had closed it's doors.

Yes production has started up again. The US government is showing interest in the MP version as well.

http://www.zap16.com/civ%20fact/civ%20B ... CL-415.htm

bigsky · Post by **bigsky** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:55 pm

Driving Rain wrote:
Are they manufacturing new 415's now? I thought the factory had closed it's doors.
Yes production has started up again. The US government is showing interest in the MP version as well.

http://www.zap16.com/civ%20fact/civ%20B ... CL-415.htm

Any idea what the going rate is for a 415?

bigsky · Post by **bigsky** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:56 pm

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Sun Mar 11, 2007 7:09 pm

Driving Rain, you have no idea who I am or what I have done in my career so you have no cause to diss my attitude to bombing. I think 8 or 9 hours of scoop-dump-scoop-dump-scoop-dump is boring. I used to use red stuff and it was never boring.

A new duck is around 30 mil plus parts. Depends if you know how to negotiate and how many you want.

I give up on the OMNR position I held. I am obviously out of the loop and know nothing.

Driving Rain · Post by **Driving Rain** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:24 am

XSB , you sound like you've been around aviation for many years as I have. You will agree that boredom leads to complacency which leads to accidents. If you find waterbombing boring than yes, you would not be sutiable for it from a safety aspect. Just because you find something boring doesn't make it so for others. To me boring is sitting on your ass for days at a time in tanker bases on red alert and not flying. Something that crews of both bomber types do. You find flying a water bomber boring ... to each his own.

According to CIFFC scoopers are the number 1 aerial fire delivery system in this country.
http://www.ciffc.ca/about.htm
THE FLEET

The national air tanker fleet consists of 13 Canadair CL-215s which are operated by the provinces on behalf of the country as a whole. These aircraft are among the the 29 CL-215s purchased by six provinces and the federal government under a Cooperative Supply Agreement signed in the mid-1980s. Now over fifty CL-215/415 aircraft along with numerous land-based air tankers operate in Canada. The CL215/415 is the number one resource request and has contributed to the overall fire suppression capability in initial attack and ground support.

Tui · Post by **Tui** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:16 am

Driving Rain wrote: http://www.zap16.com/civ%20fact/civ%20B ... CL-415.htm

Just looking at the specs I noticed it said there's room for 8 pax. Is this standard or new to the 415MP? Do the OMNR 415's have room for 8 too?

QFE · Post by **QFE** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 6:26 am

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Unless I missed it and it IS more demanding and exciting to monitor the auto pilot transition from climb to cruise, calling level at FL360, then pressing the call button for my coffee and then, checking the WX at my destination 8 hours away.

The guys that do chose to do this, good for you! Its just not for me.

Note: We don't have to call level anymore.