Nac off runway

stallnfall · Post by **stallnfall** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:11 am

Anyone here anything about NAC putting one off the runway in CYGO yesterday?

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:25 am

I've seen the pictures, not sure what the story is though.

Pie Lot · Post by **Pie Lot** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:40 am

NAC did not have an aircraft go off the runway in YGO. Other than that, I am not going to comment or get involved in the misinformation that I am sure is going to follow on here.

Idriveplane · Post by **Idriveplane** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:44 am

Hope everyone's OK

Subandriyo · Post by **Subandriyo** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:45 am

Disco Stu

Where are those pics you said you saw?

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:52 am

Happened in Tadoule Lake yesterday afternoon. Landed long apparently and went off the end of Runway 25 (at the top of the hill).

Hard to tell but in the pictures it looks like the mains for sure didn't collapse, can't really tell if the nose did or not, but the prop is definitely curled. Looks like they ended up in some deep snow so that probably helped their cause.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:52 am

Merokok wrote:Disco Stu

Where are those pics you said you saw?

In my Inbox.

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:09 pm

Pie Lot wrote:NAC did not have an aircraft go off the runway in YGO. Other than that, I am not going to comment or get involved in the misinformation that I am sure is going to follow on here.

If you have some information to share please do. If you think we are misinformed, set us straight.

-=0=LiR=0=-

the_professor · Post by **the_professor** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 12:26 pm

For what it's worth, ATC is showing a NOTAM right now about CYBQ being closed due to a disabled aircraft. No further info is included.

Goose757 · Post by **Goose757** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:48 pm

I'm assuming this is NAC air out of Thunder bay and not Northern Air charters out of Alberta? Can anyone confirm? PC-12 or KA?

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:57 pm

It was North American Charters out of Thunder Bay. PC-12.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:03 pm

Pie Lot wrote:NAC did not have an aircraft go off the runway in YGO. Other than that, I am not going to comment or get involved in the misinformation that I am sure is going to follow on here.

Are you suuuuuuuure?

El Comat · Post by **El Comat** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:31 pm

The important thing is that the crew and pax are all fine (that's all I know for sure). Other than that, who cares? Like Doc said - planes will get bent from time to time, but it's the people inside that really matter.

EC

. . · Post by **. .** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:40 pm

El Comat wrote:The important thing is that the crew and pax are all fine (that's all I know for sure). Other than that, who cares? Like Doc said - planes will get bent from time to time, but it's the people inside that really matter.

EC

shouldn't you be out breaking miniums somewhere?

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:49 pm

The important thing is that the crew and pax are all fine (that's all I know for sure). Other than that, who cares?

Well my friend I can assure the people who I work with at Lloyds of London who put up the money to pay for all these wrecked airplanes care.

And I'm betting they would have a real good look at your insurability with that careless attitude towards safety.

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:52 pm

endless wrote:
El Comat wrote:The important thing is that the crew and pax are all fine (that's all I know for sure). Other than that, who cares? Like Doc said - planes will get bent from time to time, but it's the people inside that really matter.

EC
shouldn't you be out breaking miniums somewhere?

oh snap.

Hotel Tango · Post by **Hotel Tango** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:02 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
The important thing is that the crew and pax are all fine (that's all I know for sure). Other than that, who cares?
Well my friend I can assure the people who I work with at Lloyds of London who put up the money to pay for all these wrecked airplanes care.

And I'm betting they would have a real good look at your insurability with that careless attitude towards safety.

We both know that's not what he meant.
Geez...
Can't you go one day without being an all high and mighty ass!?
People like you really make me sick of this place.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:06 pm

" Can't you go one day without being an all high and mighty ass!?
People like you really make me sick of this place.

Tough don't read my posts.

I have gotten a little fed up with the attitudes that wrecking airplanes is part of being a pilot.

Other than that, who cares?

You might not Hotel Tango, but I do.

Highflyinpilot · Post by **Highflyinpilot** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:07 pm

I have to agree, If something bad were to happen while flying, I couldnt give a rats ass about the aircraft or the insurance, I WOULD care about the safety of myself and the passengers before a piece of machinery that can be replaced.

P.S not trying to pick a fight here just my thought, it also goes with everything else, my car, my snowmachine my bike, If something were to go sour, I'd worry about myself or passengers before the piece of machinery that feels no pain

Daart · Post by **Daart** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:09 pm

A lot of people care when the metal gets bent. Lets start with the boss. Insurance goes up, loss of revenue during repair, and lost confidence from the paying public. Result equals a poor bottom line, and when that happens to often, then people tend to lose jobs. I once had a boss who used to say he didn't care how much money I made him, just how much I would cost him. This same company had an otter-skinner who would fly in worse weather than anyone else, take bigger water, or land on the roughest drift laden lakes. The result, more bent noses, tails, skis and holed floats than the rest of us. The customers worshipped the guy, but it didn't take long for the boss to send him down the road.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:13 pm

The idea highflyinpilot is we should be concerned with wrecking airplanes because the more money owners lose the less there is to pay pilots.

There will always be accidents because of mechanical and human reasons, what I am trying to point out is accident prevention is a top priority ...no more no less...

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:14 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
" Can't you go one day without being an all high and mighty ass!?
People like you really make me sick of this place.

Cat Driver wrote:Tough don't read my posts.
Sometimes I wish I could, but sometimes you stick them in right where they don't belong.

Cat Driver wrote:I have gotten a little fed up with the attitudes that wrecking airplanes is part of being a pilot.

Chill Cat. I think we all know that's not what he meant. You're just trying to stir shit up.

I don't think anyone disagrees that it DOES matter when you bend metal. But at the end of the day, the people on board are the most important factor.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:17 pm

Complain to Avcanada Wally...

I happen to be in a business that is focused on flight training safety....

.....and part of safety is having concern for safety.

Hotel Tango · Post by **Hotel Tango** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:19 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
" Can't you go one day without being an all high and mighty ass!?
People like you really make me sick of this place.
Tough don't read my posts.

I have gotten a little fed up with the attitudes that wrecking airplanes is part of being a pilot.

Other than that, who cares?
You might not Hotel Tango, but I do.

If I care enough about the people I'm flying, the rest of the crew and myself, the airplane will be fine. I never said I didn't care, and even if El Comat did, we both know what he really means. We all care, none of us want to bend metal, but the point is, in the end it's just metal. If the people are ok then the rest can be sorted out later.

Does that mean we don't care if we wreck an airplane? Of course not. Do we not see the repercussions, financial or otherwise? Of course we see them.

This is just another chance for you to chime in on a topic, take things out of context and show off, trying to impress the young ones about how old, wise and skilled you are. This is a pattern. Next thing you're going to say is "Well I guess you don't care about my decades of experience" and then blame it on TC. We've been through the drill

Highflyinpilot · Post by **Highflyinpilot** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:31 pm

Good point cat, safety is top priority, and like you said, bending airplanes will happen but when it does, it's the people on board that matter and nothing else at the moment. Take that PC12 for instance, If your child(not sure if you have any but you get the point) was on board, I can guarantee you wouldnt care about the people you work with at loyd of london, but the fact that your child is alright in one piece.

In that PC12 there is someones son, daughter, mother, father, sister, etc. etc
The wing can be replaced, the instruments can be replaced, the tires can be replaced, our loved ones cant.

However I do understand the monetary loss on the owners, pilots etc. etc. and I do understand What your trying to point out. But I'm also just trying to point out my view on it.

Im ready for the argument to follow