Crew Rest Time

Hoque · Post by **Hoque** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:00 pm

Is any one can explane about how is crew rest time works? I am having little problem understand this.

any help will be great.

Snowgoose · Post by **Snowgoose** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:44 pm

What do you want to know?

Minimum is 9 hours.
8 prone and 1 hour for travel and hygiene.

Things get interesting depending if you split you day or if you're operating in 703,704 or 705.

Hoque · Post by **Hoque** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:10 pm

Snowgoose wrote:What do you want to know?

Minimum is 9 hours.
8 prone and 1 hour for travel and hygiene.

Things get interesting depending if you split you day or if you're operating in 703,704 or 705.

Thank you for your answer, how about 703 and all?

. . · Post by **. .** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:18 pm

do you have specific questions, crew rest is a pretty broad area to ask questions upon. If you had a specific area you wanted to ask about that might help you get the right responses.

dxpr · Post by **dxpr** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:47 pm

9?

8 plus 1?

How about 8 prone rest is required by the CARS.

It is up to the company to provide a reasonable amount of additional time for personal stuff.

Our company gives 11 hours when at home base, and 10 hours while away from base.

Can you imagine living in Toronto and only having 9 hours from engine shut down to check in again?

SkyKing · Post by **SkyKing** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:53 pm

You must be an ex-Navair or current Carson Air Pilot eh? I've heard they are long days.

8 hours prone, plus sufficient time to travel to and from work, personal hygiene, meals etc.

Howitzer · Post by **Howitzer** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:57 pm

What about the 14 hours in a 24 hour period (obviously ignoring the extensions and what not) that leaves in most cases 10 hours of rest required, I don't believe many people follow this. Or have I read it wrong?

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:00 am

That puzzles me a bit too...

What if I land at 23:00 and have to be airborne again at 6:00 next morning? I can nap a couple hours most of the afternoons though...

Flaps 1 Billion · Post by **Flaps 1 Billion** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:23 am

If operating on a 14hr day under 703,704, 705 you are required to take 8 hrs prone rest, meaning head on pillow, plus time enough for travel to and forth to your reporting station and enough time to have some food and shower. So if you live 20mins from the airport in no traffic that means 40mins need to be added to your 8 hrs then an extra hr or so for food and wash. If you live further, you're entitled to more time as per the CARS, if you are told other wise refer your eomployer to said document.

Split days get more interesting as said before. No, if you land at 2300 you can't show for work at 0600, unless you working a split day at time. Are you really working a full day and getting 7hrs between show times, are you instructing?

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:34 am

Flaps,

That's for float flying in the land of the midnight sun, where one sleeps, eats and works when required

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:10 am

Actually Bug, up here in the land of the midnight sun, we have these damn CARs things...

Dunno 'bout your company, but after 14 hours on we take 10 hours free from duty, and if we go 15, we tack an extra hour on.

Your boss can give you the old "Make hay while the sunshines" shit all he/she wants. Get Tagged by TC or bend a machine without the required rest and see what happens.

Nomad · Post by **Nomad** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:29 am

Where in the CARs is the 8 hours prone rest, time to travel etc.?

Flaps 1 Billion · Post by **Flaps 1 Billion** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:20 am

Are you really flying around without a care for rest? These rules are written in blood, bust them and get caught and you will be in trouble. Your employer is making you work outside the rules, thus illegally. On top of that, you've decided to not learn the rules and consequences under which you operate. Accidents are greatly affected by fatigue, and, naps in the afternoon do not cut it.

Look under CARs 700 under flight time limitations, duty limitations and rest and time free from duty.

Remember, as a captain or PIC of an aircraft, you are responsible for everything that's involved with your flight. Crash and kill, and you can be held criminally responsible if you decide to break the rules. You're the pilot, your choice....

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:40 am

CAR's are not your lifeline to longeivity.

If you are flying for a living you should have enough common sense not to fly if you are not physically or mentally fit....period.

CAR's were designed to take advantage of the outer limits of a pilots ability to perform safely, however why would anyone with half a brain fly when they are not physically or mentally fit?

The choice between safety and employment should be a no brainer regardless of what is written in CAR's.

Rudder Bug · Post by **Rudder Bug** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:29 pm

Think I got it, the 8 hour prone rest + higyene and travelling is there for those meeting the max duty of 14. I also found out that where I am there are a few relief pilots for the machine I'm on.

Thanks guys and don't fly tired!