Q ABOUT COMM FAILURE VFR CZ

22l · Post by **22l** » Tue May 08, 2007 8:45 pm

CAR 602.138 " where the AS is a CZ by landing at the aerodrome for wich the CZ is established"
If comm fail before joinning the circuit or clear to land, should i join the cicuit and land without a clearance or should i expect to get light signals from trhe tower?
Tnx a lot
22L

Lands Like Brick · Post by **Lands Like Brick** » Wed May 09, 2007 6:18 am

Transponder 7600
follow regular traffic entry patterns and expet to see a light gun

22l · Post by **22l** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:17 am

Tnx for reply,assume now total electric failure [transponder US] if i dont see the light signals should i continue in the circuit and overshoot when on short final or can i land without the signals?

Lands Like Brick · Post by **Lands Like Brick** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:23 pm

if you have a total electric fail. then you Know that there is some kinda problem. who knows what it is. if you have a cell call the tower and let them know whats going on. if not just land the plane and explain your self afterwards

Ref Plus 10 · Post by **Ref Plus 10** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:42 pm

602.138 Where there is a two-way radiocommunication failure between the controlling air traffic control unit and a VFR aircraft while operating in Class B, Class C or Class D airspace, the pilot-in-command shall

(a) leave the airspace

(i) where the airspace is a control zone, by landing at the aerodrome for which the control zone is established, and

(ii) in any other case, by the shortest route;

(b) where the aircraft is equipped with a transponder, set the transponder to code 7600; and

(c) inform an air traffic control unit as soon as possible of the actions taken pursuant to paragraph (a).

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Wed May 09, 2007 2:02 pm

If you have a total electrical failure and you have no idea what the cause is, you have to assume the worst and assume that your battery or alternator or who knows what else will catch on fire at any second. Since it is an emergency, you as the pilot are permitted to take whatever action you deem neccesary to ensure the safety of your aircraft and your passengers, and if that's landing without a light signal, you can do it. Now if they give you a red (go around light signal) and you land anyways you better have a damn good reason.

Also agree with calling the tower on a cell phone. I actually had a total electrical failure once and that is what I did. By the time I called them they already had me painted on primary radar and were ready to slot me in for landing. No light signals neccesary and it made the whole emergency a lot easier to handle.

22l · Post by **22l** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:23 pm

Tnx for answers