Jazz Toronto City Centre Airport appeal to go ahead
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If Jazz were to win this appeal, it would be very bad for the TCCA. Jazz (Air Canada) is not interested in operating an airline off the TCCA, but they will do anything to make sure no one else does either. If they succeed in killing Porter, no one believes Jazz will continue to operate from YTZ and the Port Authority will go broke, thus paving the way for Miller to close down the airport.
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Hey Rockie, are you favouring a monopoly by one airline out of YTZ? If AC Jazz were the only operator there I'm sure big bad AC would be accused of being a monopoly. Why not have some healthy competition and let Porter run Jazz out of there the honourable way? What makes you think Jazz is not interested in flying out of the Island?
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Good point Wing. Consider this though. There was a time (pre 9/11) when Jazz ran many flights out of there but eventually the industry took a hit and Jazz was down to just a couple of flights a day. There came a time when flying out of YTZ wasn't worth it. Things have come around again and I think there is room for both Jazz and Porter to fly out of there. The whole thing just smells of backroom dealings to me. Something just doesn't add up. Maybe there will soon be a Jazz presence there again. Maybe Porter will prove better than Jazz. Why not give people a choice?
AC/Jazz had a virtual monopoly at YTZ for many years and spent all that time proving how little interest they had in operating a service there. If another company were interested in providing a service the Port Authority would be just as interested in having them onfield since it would mean more revenue for them. No one believes AC/Jazz is a sudden convert to the virtues of CYTZ, least of all the Port Authority who has to provide for their own existence.tonysoprano wrote:Hey Rockie, are you favouring a monopoly by one airline out of YTZ? If AC Jazz were the only operator there I'm sure big bad AC would be accused of being a monopoly. Why not have some healthy competition and let Porter run Jazz out of there the honourable way? What makes you think Jazz is not interested in flying out of the Island?
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Judging by this report, it seems as though Porter and the Port Authority welcome this development.
It forces Jazz to divulge their former plans to either reduce or suspend YTZ service.
Their intention to return with newly invigorated service is obviously a predatory and opportunistic ploy that Judge Hugessen is not blind to.
I can't see how a civil suit could possible be successful for Jazz given their past failures in the federal courts.
Judging by this report, it seems as though Porter and the Port Authority welcome this development.
It forces Jazz to divulge their former plans to either reduce or suspend YTZ service.
Their intention to return with newly invigorated service is obviously a predatory and opportunistic ploy that Judge Hugessen is not blind to.
I can't see how a civil suit could possible be successful for Jazz given their past failures in the federal courts.
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Rockie.
So I gather you don't think Porter has a monopoly at YTZ in your view?What if someone other than Jazz wanted to operate there? How can you say Jazz wasn't interested in being in YTZ? They once ran flights to YOW,YUL and YQG. Many daily flights. They reduced the flying at a time of lack of demand. Not lack of interest. Maybe they should have kept flying there even at a loss. I just don't understand the reasoning behind shutting Jazz out of the Island. Wouldn't it be more revenue to the Port Authority by having two or more airlines there?
So I gather you don't think Porter has a monopoly at YTZ in your view?What if someone other than Jazz wanted to operate there? How can you say Jazz wasn't interested in being in YTZ? They once ran flights to YOW,YUL and YQG. Many daily flights. They reduced the flying at a time of lack of demand. Not lack of interest. Maybe they should have kept flying there even at a loss. I just don't understand the reasoning behind shutting Jazz out of the Island. Wouldn't it be more revenue to the Port Authority by having two or more airlines there?
Jazz has no interest in operating at the Island long term. That's why they have refused and continue to refuse to sign a long term deal with the Port Authority. Jazz is welcome to operate out of the island if they want to make the committment.tonysoprano wrote:Rockie.
So I gather you don't think Porter has a monopoly at YTZ in your view?What if someone other than Jazz wanted to operate there? How can you say Jazz wasn't interested in being in YTZ? They once ran flights to YOW,YUL and YQG. Many daily flights. They reduced the flying at a time of lack of demand. Not lack of interest. Maybe they should have kept flying there even at a loss. I just don't understand the reasoning behind shutting Jazz out of the Island. Wouldn't it be more revenue to the Port Authority by having two or more airlines there?
And by the way, US Airways was recently granted access to the island airport by the Port Authority.
The real question to be asked is who is footing the bill for legal fees in this appeal process? ACE, AC or Jazz. Cause if it is Jazz, it is a waste of funds pure and simple, as it is not Jazz that dictates where their aircraft fly, but AC.
Service to YTZ dwindled in part becuase of a downturn, however it had more to do with the fact that AC did not want any of it's service out of YYZ canabalized by service out of the island airport. Some of you may have forgotten, but it was AC/Jazz that gave Miller a helping hand getting into office by JR's comments of operating jet service to the island airport in the days leading up to the civic election.
Service to YTZ dwindled in part becuase of a downturn, however it had more to do with the fact that AC did not want any of it's service out of YYZ canabalized by service out of the island airport. Some of you may have forgotten, but it was AC/Jazz that gave Miller a helping hand getting into office by JR's comments of operating jet service to the island airport in the days leading up to the civic election.
so if porter and jazz operate at the island, where will the jazz aircraft park? i visted the island airport a month ago, and i noticed that the airport has changed so much since 2005.. porter has its own terminal, and it was amazing.. it would be interesting to see how jazz competes, wish good luck to them..