Transmit on the MF, and 126.7...please.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:38 am

Lets all try to remember to transmit on the MF, as well as 126.7 before we taxi out onto a runway. Even in shit holes like ZRJ. Okay? Enough said.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:46 am

Lemme guess, your SOPs have a call "Bonehead on the runway- Go around!" too?

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:04 am

Agreed. I've had a few close calls with non-sched guys (read medevacs) who often don't make their calls on the correct frequency (ie. calls on 22.8 when it should be 23.2). Making calls on 26.7 as well is a nice failsafe to help avoid those who don't want to crack open the CFS.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:53 pm

I've had more close calls with the sked guys....seems some think they own the neighborhood?

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:13 pm

We do

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:29 pm

lyncher wrote:We do

lol

Stan_Cooper · Post by **Stan_Cooper** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:03 pm

Edited: Re-read the original post, answered my own question.

Blakey · Post by **Blakey** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:03 pm

Rudy wrote:Agreed. I've had a few close calls with non-sched guys (read medevacs) who often don't make their calls on the correct frequency (ie. calls on 22.8 when it should be 23.2). Making calls on 26.7 as well is a nice failsafe to help avoid those who don't want to crack open the CFS.

I understand completely but I'm wondering what you do about it.

I often fly into an uncontrolled airport where there is no published unicom or mandatory freq. Calls therefore, should be made on 123.2. In practice though, everyone, including the aircraft based there, use 122.8. I only have one COM radio so I'm wearing out my frequency knob changing freqs to give broadcasts on both. If I just give in and use 122.8, I'm re-enforcing the belief that this is the right freq, if I stick to the CARs and only broadcast on 123.2 as I should, I'm risking a close encounter of the aluminum kind! What's the general concensus on what to do?

bigredone · Post by **bigredone** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:22 pm

126.7 call on the ground when there is a published MF is superfluous. But it sounds like you are the judge and jury of whats right and wrong...I guess we can stop worrying about those bothersome SOPs and CARS.

Stan_Cooper · Post by **Stan_Cooper** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:48 am

RAC 8.11 (d) wrote:Pilots departing IFR should broadcast their intentions on 126.7 MHz, in addition to the MF, prior to takeoff.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:22 am

bigredone, the reason for a call on 126.7 is to let your intentions be known to folks who may not be on the MF yet. You may be delayed on your departure, and the inbound will be aware of your intentions. I don't know who you're referring to with your "judge and jury" remark? If we can prevent "near misses" with a simple radio call, shouldn't we be making them?

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:50 am

As soon as I left NWO, I discovered that everyone else on the planet chooses to follow this pesky "let people know what you're doing" rule.

The are very few people here who don't.

I haven't had anyone do that in fifteen years. When they did, my co-pilot beat the snot out of him.

122.8 is for kids. Dumb ones.

... · Post by **...** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:44 am

just curious wrote:
122.8 is for kids. Dumb ones.

...what he said.

bigredone · Post by **bigredone** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:15 pm

To much congestion on 267 as it is, why add more. The M in MF is there for a reason. Also, I couldnt agree more with the 122.8 comments. Those of us that fly all over the country are continuously frustrated with the "up here we do it this way" routine. I should be able to fly anywhere in Canada and have a reasonably good chance of getting hold of traffic in conflict.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:12 pm

Ah, but sometimes.....122.8 IS the MF.......and we all know how hard it is to get a word in on that freq....hence, the call on 126.7. But you don't have to use 126.7 if you don't want to, bigredone, it's just that your call may go unheard.....kind of like a tree falling in the forest? C'mon people, is there really something wrong with being safe? My co-pilots WILL make a call on 126.7...or they can bloody well WALK HOME!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:30 pm

I should be able to fly anywhere in Canada and have a reasonably good chance of getting hold of traffic in conflict.

I don't understand this mindset of " traffic in conflict ".

I have always used the thought process of trying to know where all the traffic was that could become an " in conflct " problem.

Sort of a big picture process that adds to what I can actually see at any given time..

... · Post by **...** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:45 pm

Cat Driver wrote:
I should be able to fly anywhere in Canada and have a reasonably good chance of getting hold of traffic in conflict.
I don't understand this mindset of " traffic in conflict ".

I have always used the thought process of trying to know where all the traffic was that could become an " in conflct " problem.

Sort of a big picture process that adds to what I can actually see at any given time..

If I'm reading your post correctly...I gather that you feel this end part of the transmission of saying "traffic in conflict" is unnecessary?

Perhaps people like hearing themselves on the radio? I must admit I hate talking on the radio. Unlike being a loud mouth on here

I try to get to the point...unless I'm feeling friendly and it's NOT 4 am without my first cup of coffee. But that's just my issue.

But you're right CAT, it's a given if there is going to be a conflict...you're gonna here from me try clarify the other pilot's transmission and position.

anyway, I think I'm off topic. Carry on

KLFC-1 · Post by **KLFC-1** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:13 am

"Any conflicting traffic, please advise."

Not sure what the NORDO guys are supposed to make of that. Seems like false comfort. I think I just might say something even if I wasn't invited to advise of a conflict - potential or otherwise.

Lurch · Post by **Lurch** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 7:38 am

KLFC-1 wrote:"Any conflicting traffic, please advise."

Not sure what the NORDO guys are supposed to make of that. Seems like false comfort. I think I just might say something even if I wasn't invited to advise of a conflict - potential or otherwise.

This is a by product of 250 hour pilots teaching and just regurgitating what they had been told 250 hours ago by their 250 hour instructor.

People by nature are lemmings they follow the pack and never question the reason why they do these things they just do because "well so an so told me to do it this way."

There are procedures in place and freqencies published to be used, use them and get your head out of the cockpit and look outside every once and a while.

Lurch

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:02 pm

Your dead on Lurch. I know I was taught the same thing. A lot of people feel longer calls are more safe so they feel the need to add on all kinds of weird stuff.

"Currently/Presently/At this time" - Everyone assumes that's where you are "currently". If your postion report is for a future date or has already happened then you can let us know.

"Nautical miles" - Oh, nautical miles! Well changes everything.

"Conflicts advise C-FABC on 126.7 and 122.8" - If we can hear you then we are on the same frequency you are. Worst case scenario have to try the other radio to get a hold of you.

I'm sure you can all add some more to that list of gems.

Oh, while I'm ranting. Do you really have to call up your agent from 18000 feet? All of northern ontario doesn't need to hear you discuss your load with "Ed in Atta". What's that formula for transmit range again? Just wait a minute it goes way down.

Ok I'm done for now. Looking forward to winter and some peace and quiet.

3.14lot · Post by **3.14lot** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:07 pm

rudy i agree on all counts except the freq. We sometimes listen to 4 frequencies. Its nice to know which one the call is on..

Rudy · Post by **Rudy** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:36 pm

Ah, my bad. Didn't realize some had more than 2 radios.

PopnChipper · Post by **PopnChipper** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 5:52 pm

I only see one fault with calls on the MF and 126.7 for all intentions, and that is those who make one call, then immediatly switch over to the other freq without listening to see if anybody is in conflict with them. On a number of occasions, I have had conflicts with other aircraft, responded to their call, only for it to fall upon deaf ears as buddy in the other plane is to busy making the second call without listening for conflicts from the first. If you are going to make 2 calls on 2 different freq's, at least wait a few seconds inbetween to see if somebody did hear you, as has already been pointed out, not all of us have 2 radios.

lyncher · Post by **lyncher** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 6:23 pm

generally, if the person makes a call on one frequency then switches over to the other frequency right away-to make another call, then he has 2 radios (or he's a couple fries shy of a happy meal) and if you broadcast on the first frequency he'll probably hear you..... the worst case scenario, he doesn't hear you because he's making the second call at the same time..... so you try again after you dont get a response

PopnChipper · Post by **PopnChipper** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 1:12 pm

sounds like a great solution, now if we could stop people making two calls back to back and not listening who are already taking the runway, then the problem would be solved, or, two taxing at once for a runway, one from a pax ramp, another from a cargo ramp, I still say wait a few seconds, even if it means making you calls before already taxiing

Transmit on the MF, and 126.7...please.

Transmit on the MF, and 126.7...please.

26.7 before departure