Missinnippi's caravan

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:32 am

Anyone know how much damage to the caravan.

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:14 am

Did something happen, or are you talking about last summer?

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 6:39 am

Just the other day....heard it was a bad bounce and hit the tail on the ground

2R · Post by 2R » Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:59 am

It would have to be a really bad bounce never heard of anyone smacking the tail on landing before .A new first for a van .Usually the tails get damaged when loading is done by forklifts or no pogo stick.
The most damage is usually done during loading

Axial Flow · Post by **Axial Flow** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 9:20 am

Occurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2007/08/21
Occurrence Time: 1430 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries:

Canadian Aerodrome ID: Aerodrome Name:
Occurrence Location: Ferguson Lake Province: Manitoba
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: TSB Winnipeg AOR Number:
TSB Class Of Investigation: 5 TSB Occurrence No.: A07C0157
Event Information
Flight control systems (ailerons, rudder, rotors, flaps, main, tail)
Hard landing
Aircraft Information
Flight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: CESSNA Model: 208B
Year Built: 2005 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: PRATT & WHITNEY-CAN Engine Model: PT6A-114A
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: Minor
Owner: BEAVER AIR SERVICES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, MISSINIPPI MANAGEMENT LTD Operator: BEAVER AIR SERVICES LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, MISSINIPPI MANAGEMENT LTD. (4077)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail Information
User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2007/08/23
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety

Narrative:The Cessna 208B operated by Beaver Air Services, bounced on landing at Ferguson Lake and sustained minor damage when the tail cone struck the runway. The company recieved a ferry permit to return the aircraft to base for repairs.

just curious · Post by **just curious** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:58 am

The old Ferguson Lake strip was sand and loose rocks on a hill. I wouldn't go there on the otter without intermediates.

The question shouldn't be what damage was there, but rather "How did the pilot avoid damage for so long?"

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:59 am

I was just told it will be down around 2 weeks getting repairs.

Laluffa · Post by **Laluffa** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 11:36 am

I heard after further inspection of the aircraft, there was actually extensive damage. Could be down for much longer than two weeks. Ouch!

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:21 pm

You'd think they would learn,one last year on a esker,now this one.I guess you have to take what you can to make them aircraft pay.....

grimey · Post by **grimey** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 1:19 pm

lazyboy wrote:You'd think they would learn,one last year on a esker,now this one.I guess you have to take what you can to make them aircraft pay.....

They are learning. They didn't need a helicopter this time.

Freeride · Post by **Freeride** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:39 pm

There's a reason company's charge more for offstrip. It is a lot harder on the aircraft. Things occasionally get bent. Beats the hell out of flying pavement to pavement tho.

lazyboy · Post by **lazyboy** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:12 pm

Can they charge enough to cover lost revenue,increased insurance,and damage history on the plane....I know they can not.A case of the wrong airplane for the job.

Go Guns · Post by **Go Guns** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 4:35 pm

Caravans have been going in and out of Ferguson for how long now? How does a hard landing make it the wrong airplane for the job?

vstrom · Post by **vstrom** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:02 pm

Ok... I promised myself that I would never post here on avcanada..but enough is enough.

The caravan has been going into Ferguson for close to 10 years..the strip there, while rough and soft at times, is more than suitable. The guys there look after that strip very well and do what they can to keep it as smooth as possible.

It wasn't a hard landing that did it..it was turning around... the nosewheel hit a good bump which launched it high enough to hit the tail.

A year and and a half ago a twin otter lost a nosewheel on the ice at ferguson..and you guys didn't jump all over them..or when the DC3 ploughed into the side of the icestrip... guess those airplanes are out of their elements too. Hell..A pilatus goes off the end of a runway and it doesn't even get as much attention. Offstrip/icestrip and etc are going to be more hazardous and maintenace heavy then your typical runway to runway crap.

Lazyboy go stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:25 pm

It wasn't a hard landing that did it..it was turning around... the nosewheel hit a good bump which launched it high enough to hit the tail.

Fair enough, so how fast were they taxing to bang the tail on the ground, how far aft was the C of G envelope?

If we are going to give the reasons for these accidents we can only learn from knowing what causes them.

I'm sitting here trying to remember if I ever had a nose wheel leave the ground while taxing on a rough strip, and can't recall ever having that happen.

Is the Caravan subject to banging its tail on the ground while taxing?

tofo · Post by **tofo** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 10:54 pm

are there any fences that they should be aware of when they get it back on line?

2R · Post by 2R » Sun Aug 26, 2007 11:12 am

So it does look a loading issue ,
Aft CG ???

Any pictures ???