Bond? How 'bout employment contract?
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Bond? How 'bout employment contract?
Now I'm not currently in the new job process but I was just thinking, as bonds are likely here to stay, has anyone tried writing up an employment contract. By that, I mean a list of duties (full and complete job description) and conditions of employment which would include salary, schedule, aircraft equipment, minimum hours and any promises made during the hiring process. Such a contract could be written that any changes made without consent of the employee and employer would void any bonds or other agreements. I think that would stop a lot of employers from making promises they can't or have no intention of keeping as well as make sure that new employees have a full and complete understanding of required duties with no reason to complain. Or do you think when asked to sign such a contract, employers would just say screw you and go find the next smuck pilot who will do what ever they are told...? That's my thought and question for the day...
It is a good idea. If I may add , there should be a clause in there with regard to a company ceasing operation.
To emphasize the point that it is a two way street.
A friend of mine was working for a Canadian company. He had a "contract" so to speak. He turned down two much better paying and nicer jobs because he had signed this contract.
Then the company had their OC pulled last month.He was on days off and management did not even bother to tell him. He found out through the media. And now he has to sue them to get the balance owed him....
Any company that wants anything in writing....should put both sides in writing.
To emphasize the point that it is a two way street.
A friend of mine was working for a Canadian company. He had a "contract" so to speak. He turned down two much better paying and nicer jobs because he had signed this contract.
Then the company had their OC pulled last month.He was on days off and management did not even bother to tell him. He found out through the media. And now he has to sue them to get the balance owed him....
Any company that wants anything in writing....should put both sides in writing.
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The only problem I see with this notion is writing a document that covers all the possibilities. A workable resolution process would have to be the key to the entire document for situations that will occur that are not directly addressed in the contract. I see a document that meets the needs of all parties as a very difficult one to draft.
I think this is a really smart idea.. but will companies do it?
If they told you everything then you probably wouldn't sign the contract (which something i have learned over time).
But i have to say Pilots do put up with a lot of BS and bend over way to much for very little benefit to themselves.
If they told you everything then you probably wouldn't sign the contract (which something i have learned over time).
But i have to say Pilots do put up with a lot of BS and bend over way to much for very little benefit to themselves.
In a perfect world this would be great but the operator is likely to tell you to pound sand. There are still way too many pilots around that would sell their Mom in order to get the time, type, etc. The pilot shortage would have to get way more acute before this dream becomes a reality
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I did exactly what you are talking about in 2001.
A company agreed to hire me on a "contractual basis," provide me with a Type Rating, and pay me a certain amount per mile - provided I work for them over two years(winters). The only problem was, I was on a much higher rate than the full-time employees also on that aircraft, so I refused to sign the two year commitment as I would certainly be last out the door.
When asked why, I simply told the CP that there was "nothing in this for me, other than the type rating," (which DOES NOT put food on the table all alone) and that without a guarantee of hours/miles/wages, I would not be committing myself to anything soon. He asked what I was thinking, and I said that a fair two way contract that protects both the company and me was satisfactory. He agreed, asked me to amend the Bond and present it to him. I did, he agreed with my terms, and we both signed the new contract.
Now, I'm certainly no lawyer, but I did consult some outside parties to look it over, and within reason both the company and I were protected(they in length of service, me in guarantee of wages). To write up a contract that covers every conceivable circumstance is out of my depth, but I see no reason why it can't be done.
This was all on the level, and in good faith, but unfortunately there seems to be a rather large deficit of both in aviation these days.
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A company agreed to hire me on a "contractual basis," provide me with a Type Rating, and pay me a certain amount per mile - provided I work for them over two years(winters). The only problem was, I was on a much higher rate than the full-time employees also on that aircraft, so I refused to sign the two year commitment as I would certainly be last out the door.
When asked why, I simply told the CP that there was "nothing in this for me, other than the type rating," (which DOES NOT put food on the table all alone) and that without a guarantee of hours/miles/wages, I would not be committing myself to anything soon. He asked what I was thinking, and I said that a fair two way contract that protects both the company and me was satisfactory. He agreed, asked me to amend the Bond and present it to him. I did, he agreed with my terms, and we both signed the new contract.
Now, I'm certainly no lawyer, but I did consult some outside parties to look it over, and within reason both the company and I were protected(they in length of service, me in guarantee of wages). To write up a contract that covers every conceivable circumstance is out of my depth, but I see no reason why it can't be done.
This was all on the level, and in good faith, but unfortunately there seems to be a rather large deficit of both in aviation these days.
stl
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I agree with Hot Fuel.
But, whether a contract is adhered to always depends on who signs it and ultimately, what their trustworthiness is. Otherwise, it is only worthless paper.
I cannot see putting everything in writing that some cantankerous person will not find some reason to disagree with. Remember also, management personnel changes and a different perspective on the agreement may arise.
Trust and two-way understanding is the only thing that works.
I have seen companies that try to lay out most of the important points, but there is always a clause that says "and whatever else, blah blah blah."
or, "including but not limited to........"
But, whether a contract is adhered to always depends on who signs it and ultimately, what their trustworthiness is. Otherwise, it is only worthless paper.
I cannot see putting everything in writing that some cantankerous person will not find some reason to disagree with. Remember also, management personnel changes and a different perspective on the agreement may arise.
Trust and two-way understanding is the only thing that works.
I have seen companies that try to lay out most of the important points, but there is always a clause that says "and whatever else, blah blah blah."
or, "including but not limited to........"
I do agree it would be tough to cover everything on paper, and I don't think many operators would even consider such a thing, that's just the mindset of most ownership. It would just really piss me off if I had signed a bond with a new company(never have) having been promised a certain schedule and detailed duties, to a week or so later having that schedule thrown out the window and replaced with something barely legal and have added toilet duties(not that I'm above such) or some such nonsense. I would certainly be looking for legal advice to void any bonds in that matter. As a comparison to outside aviation, the school calender for any post-secondary institution is binding for the year you started, regardless of school policy changes the following years. Meaning, what they promise when you start, is what they have to follow through with. It's somewhat sad that the same is not true in what should be a very professional industry.
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