36k - 42k for a King Air 100 Captain. Voyageur at it. Again.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:53 am

VAL Employment wrote:
Salary: $36,000 - $42,000 per annum

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?t=35333

On their latest ad. Absolutely shameful. I hope that the position will remain vacant until they are willing to pay a decent wage.

STH · Post by **STH** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:08 pm

It definitely is appalling. Someone will likely take it though. I've spent alot of time with certain companies who know how to get away with everything. Even during times like these.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:09 pm

Don't forget an 8k bond, don't forget about paying for your gear, don't forget unfulfilled promises regarding scheduling.

tsgas · Post by **tsgas** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:30 pm

Perfect job for an Egomaniac looking to wear those four stripes a and look real cool regardless of the cost.

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:25 pm

My FO on our king air makes the lower end of that range on the left coast, which is an area not known for its high wages....that's brutal for left seat.

And PA31 left seat makes more than the top of that pay scale at YVR running DHL to YYJ.

Conquest Driver · Post by **Conquest Driver** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:33 pm

Whatever drugs these guys are smoking, please I want some. They gotta be good.

fougapilot · Post by **fougapilot** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:43 pm

I made that in 1997 flying a Navajo and a Cheyenne... $32K and it was the starting salary for the left seat, no bonds...

sucks,

F

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:07 pm

Companies ONLY get money up front because some of us are MORONS! Every pilot who pulls out his/her wallet is ruining the entire industry for everyone that follows....this is YOUR FAULT!
In an interview, when you're asked to take out a loan, say.."F%CK YOU!" Then turn, and walk out the door! Grow some BALLS!

Tiny Tyke · Post by **Tiny Tyke** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:58 pm

Pilatus captains can make $50K. I heard of one guy making $75K.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:11 pm

wow when I saw that I thought it must have been a typo

newfycontrol · Post by **newfycontrol** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:20 pm

I was offered 36K there as 100 captain..8000K bond....was flying a piston twin at the time...turned it down..wasn't interested in taking a pay cut...

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:02 pm

Interesting..... their last ad for the medevac 100 in Moncton said $65,000

c_dub · Post by **c_dub** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:24 pm

So what is the pay/bond for the dash-8 f/o? requirements?

On another note, I think the King Air pay is a typo because there last posting was a lot higher......

newalliance123 · Post by **newalliance123** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:01 pm

That wage would make sense for a FO.

desksgo · Post by **desksgo** » Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:21 pm

c_dub wrote:So what is the pay/bond for the dash-8 f/o? requirements?

On another note, I think the King Air pay is a typo because there last posting was a lot higher......

Not a typo, the North Bay guys get zilch!

WetJet · Post by **WetJet** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:00 am

"Voyageur Airways Limited also offers opportunities for advancement to our Dash 7, Dash 8 and CRJ pilot programs. "

Ahh, the dangling Dash.

Sounds great until you realise you have to go to Africa and become the lowest paid UN pilots on the CONTINENT! ($20,000 training bond!)

Stay away from Voyageur, every other company in northern Ontario is looking, just not advertising.

Krashman · Post by **Krashman** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 8:36 am

no wonder VAL is always looking for guys... with pay like that it doesn't take long to realize your getting jerked around and then having all your money taken from you.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:09 am

Not only have they got you on the hook but they put a MINIMUM of $20,000 in their own bank account by not paying you what you're worth.

Its debatable whether VAL pays their overseas guys less than Trans Capital, but they're pretty bad too.

c_dub · Post by **c_dub** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:27 am

Anyone done the Africa thing with them? What is the pay/length of bond/requirements? Wait... better question, is their overseas operation better than their Canadian one?

Beothuk1 · Post by **Beothuk1** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:40 am

wallypilot wrote:My FO on our king air makes the lower end of that range on the left coast, which is an area not known for its high wages....that's brutal for left seat.

And PA31 left seat makes more than the top of that pay scale at YVR running DHL to YYJ.

Oh No Wally! Tell me you are not turning inot one of those guys thats says "My FO" and "Our King Air"
Tsk Tsk shame shame shame........unless of course you went out and bought a King Air then congradulations!!!

vortac · Post by **vortac** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:03 am

This company is so cheap, they don't even have a single sign or company logo on ANY of their buildings in North Bay (Main base). NOTHING. Just a random door on one of the hangers with a code lock on it. Surrounded by a parking lot full of beaters cause their pilots can barely afford to eat.

But be careful, there's an imaginary bubble as you pass through the door and ego's start to touch the roof. Around the corner, sitting quietly on the ramp. Oh what a sight, if it were painted orange.. we'd know for sure it's a carrot.

STAY AWAY

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:37 pm

vortac wrote:if it were painted orange.. we'd know for sure it's a carrot.

Looks like a carrot to me.

app flap · Post by **app flap** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:51 pm

i dunno, if VAL wasn't such a d-bag company... i'd be tempted to go there JUST to fly an orange airplane. i think thats one of the coolest painted 200's around, right up there with the westex paint job.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Fri Oct 05, 2007 9:22 pm

sprucemonkey wrote:
vortac wrote:if it were painted orange.. we'd know for sure it's a carrot.

Looks like a carrot to me.

LOL

Battle Hardened · Post by **Battle Hardened** » Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:34 am

Not too many months ago I was a flight instructor. I loved my job and desired to expand my instructing skills to include multi and MIFR training. I also couldn't wait until I became a Class I so that I could take on additional responsibilities. This never materialized and I couldn't seem to get over that 'hump'. I was therefore forced into looking for other type of flying work.
One of the many places I applied to was Voyageur. I did get a chance to have an interview with them. They told me that there was an $8,000 bond and then explained the details. As far as I was concerned this seemed quite reasonable. At the end of the year I would get the money back. So in other words it was not buying a job. I didn't harbor any secret plans to leave therefore I was fine with it.
Later the following week I was given an email response telling me that I was not successful in my interview and that I could apply with them at a later date. Thinking that I could not get hired even though I agreed to the idea of the $8,000 bond during my interview was extremely discouraging.
I personally see nothing wrong with a bond. No its not 'paying for a job' It's just a way to keep you honest. I'm very thankful that Voyageur turned me down. I'm now flying with an excellent company as an F/O on the DHC-8-100 and, no, I didn't pay for a bond.