Looks like Bombardier got a $77million bill in the mail...

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Looks like Bombardier got a $77million bill in the mail...

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Ross Marowits
THE CANADIAN PRESS

MONTREAL – Aircraft manufacturer Bombardier Inc., already hit by one US$77-million claim, says it has been in discussions with operators of its Q400 turboprop about potential compensation resulting from problems with the landing gear.

However, the Montreal-based company refused to comment Wednesday on the nature of those talks after Swedish airline group SAS AB became the first to go public with its desire to claim $77 million for costs and lost income.

"We've had a significant amount of dialogue with our customers over the course of these incidents and the dialogue is varied in nature, but we consider that to be confidential conversation between us and our customers at this point in time," Bombardier (TSX: BBD.B) spokesman John Arnone said in an interview.

Asked if the conversations included the topic of compensation, he replied: "Yes."

SAS, which was the Q400's launch customer in 2000, said eight of its grounded planes will return to service over the coming days.

That would mean 90 per cent of the 165 Q400s in service around the world will return to regular flights, said Arnone.

SAS grounded its entire fleet of Q400 turboprops last month after two accidents in Denmark and Lithuania in which planes of that type crash-landed with landing gear malfunctions. No one was seriously injured.

A preliminary report suggested the internal threads of the retraction/extension actuator piston revealed corrosion.

"The incidents were caused by flaws in components not included in the maintenance manual. This is why we feel the responsibility lies with Bombardier," said SAS spokesman Hans Ollongren.

The company will start its compensation talks with the Canadian plane maker shortly, he said, without giving a more specific timeframe.

Ollongren said SAS has lost around US$62 million since the grounding of its turboprop fleet. "But there are other costs involved, too, related to credibility and other things."

He declined to comment on whether SAS plans to sue Bombardier, saying only that "we'll start with discussions. We won't go into methods yet."

SAS will start flying its turboprops again Thursday after a three-week stoppage for maintenance and inspections of the planes.

Bombardier shares were down 10 cents or 1.62 per cent to $6.08 in trading Wednesday afternoon on the Toronto Stock Exchange.
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why do I have the bad impression that a lot of people on this forum would love to see Bombardier go tits up ??? is it because it's based mainly in Quebec ?
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The only money to be made in Bombardier is by shorting their stock :roll:
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They should stick to rail cars.....the french have never been good at anything!
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tincanflyer wrote:the french have never been good at anything!
Actually they are Canadian...

For your benefit I have included a map highlighting the different regions...

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They should sue the landing gear maker. They would do that in the US.
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They should stick to rail cars.....the french have never been good at anything!
Apparently you haven't flown a Dassault product.
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Who builds the landing gear for the Q400, Dowty or Menasco? Whoever it is is going to find out that shit rolls downhill at a great rate.
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Vickers vanguard wrote:why do I have the bad impression that a lot of people on this forum would love to see Bombardier go tits up ??? is it because it's based mainly in Quebec ?
Maybe it's because Jazz flies their planes.
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Siddley Hawker wrote:Who builds the landing gear for the Q400, Dowty or Menasco?
Neither. I believe it's Goodrich.
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tincanflyer wrote:They should stick to rail cars.....the french have never been good at anything!
Stupid comment to say the least ! your Boeing Airplane, the one that so many worship was designed using a catia program.
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I couldn't give a fresh turd on black asphalt in the noonday sun what Bombardier does.

I just wish my tax dollars didn't have to pay for it.
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Hedley wrote:I couldn't give a fresh turd on black asphalt in the noonday sun what Bombardier does.

I just wish my tax dollars didn't have to pay for it.
That, and I wish public money would not be misspent on products of questionable quality and purpose.
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Siddley Hawker wrote:Who builds the landing gear for the Q400, Dowty or Menasco? Whoever it is is going to find out that shit rolls downhill at a great rate.
Menasco does

But shouldn't some of blame go to SAS? Couldn't their guys check for corrosion during maintenance checks?
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Rudy wrote:
Vickers vanguard wrote:why do I have the bad impression that a lot of people on this forum would love to see Bombardier go tits up ??? is it because it's based mainly in Quebec ?
Maybe it's because Jazz flies their planes.
But they do not fly the 400s.
Dash 8-300 (DH3)

Technical characteristics

Timetable code: DH3

Manufacturer: Bombardier
Number of aircraft in fleet: 26
Engines: PW 123
Seats (typical): 48 or 50
Cargo capacity: 2,500 lbs (1,134 kg)
Fuel capacity: 846 usg (3,202 l)
Overall length: 84 feet, 3 inches (25.7 m)
Wing span: 90 feet, 0 inches (27.4 m)
Top of fin from ground: 24 feet, 7 inches (7.5 m)
Cruise speed: 330 mph (531 km/h)
Range (full passengers): 863 miles (1,389 km)
Maximum altitude: 25,000 feet (7,620 m)
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conehead wrote:
Siddley Hawker wrote:Who builds the landing gear for the Q400, Dowty or Menasco?
Neither. I believe it's Goodrich.
Menasco was acquired by Goodrich. Here is something from their site:

"Through acquisitions, some of the most respected names in the industry became part of BFGoodrich -- Rosemount Aerospace in sensors, Simmonds in fuels systems, Rohr in aerostructures, and Cleveland Pneumatic and Menasco in landing gear. New products developed internally and expansion into maintenance and repair services further added to the company's growth. As a result, during the 1990s, aerospace sales increased 10-fold to $3.7 billion annually. Today, Goodrich products are on almost every aircraft in the world and increasingly so on satellites."

BTW apparently preliminary findings point to corrosion of a critical part due to dissimilar metals. Not an issue on the 100,200, & 300 series. :wink:
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Vickers vanguard wrote:why do I have the bad impression that a lot of people on this forum would love to see Bombardier go tits up ??? is it because it's based mainly in Quebec ?
Some of the best strippers are in quebec and I think most on this forum like strippers
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Goodrich = Menasco
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tincanflyer wrote:They should stick to rail cars.....the french have never been good at anything!
Wow,,,, just wow is all i can say... ignorant people make me laugh..
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Dust Devil wrote:Some of the best strippers are in quebec and I think most on this forum like strippers
Ahh the stripper index... A comprehensive indicator of the level of contribution from a given culture to the rest of a society.

ie. Bad strippers is often an indication of poor nutrition in a region and an unmotivated workforce.

I'm glad you brought this up DD.
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Post by Rubberbiscuit »

Supposedly Bombardier chose to source out production of most components on the Q series in the event of this scenario.....lawsuits! Don't know if it is true but I was told that on the Dash 8-100,200,300 Bombardier made alot of the compnets it self but have since then been deterred by other lawsuits, i.e. Pinnacle crash... Apparently the landing gear on the Q series is nowhere near as rugged as the earlier Dash 8 models.
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TyrellCorp wrote:Menasco was acquired by Goodrich. Here is something from their site:

"Through acquisitions, some of the most respected names in the industry became part of BFGoodrich -- Rosemount Aerospace in sensors, Simmonds in fuels systems, Rohr in aerostructures, and Cleveland Pneumatic and Menasco in landing gear. New products developed internally and expansion into maintenance and repair services further added to the company's growth. As a result, during the 1990s, aerospace sales increased 10-fold to $3.7 billion annually. Today, Goodrich products are on almost every aircraft in the world and increasingly so on satellites."

BTW apparently preliminary findings point to corrosion of a critical part due to dissimilar metals. Not an issue on the 100,200, & 300 series. :wink:
Thanks Ty. Wasn't aware of this.
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