Ross Marowits
THE CANADIAN PRESS
MONTREAL – Aircraft manufacturer Bombardier Inc., already hit by one US$77-million claim, says it has been in discussions with operators of its Q400 turboprop about potential compensation resulting from problems with the landing gear.
However, the Montreal-based company refused to comment Wednesday on the nature of those talks after Swedish airline group SAS AB became the first to go public with its desire to claim $77 million for costs and lost income.
"We've had a significant amount of dialogue with our customers over the course of these incidents and the dialogue is varied in nature, but we consider that to be confidential conversation between us and our customers at this point in time," Bombardier (TSX: BBD.B) spokesman John Arnone said in an interview.
Asked if the conversations included the topic of compensation, he replied: "Yes."
SAS, which was the Q400's launch customer in 2000, said eight of its grounded planes will return to service over the coming days.
That would mean 90 per cent of the 165 Q400s in service around the world will return to regular flights, said Arnone.
SAS grounded its entire fleet of Q400 turboprops last month after two accidents in Denmark and Lithuania in which planes of that type crash-landed with landing gear malfunctions. No one was seriously injured.
A preliminary report suggested the internal threads of the retraction/extension actuator piston revealed corrosion.
"The incidents were caused by flaws in components not included in the maintenance manual. This is why we feel the responsibility lies with Bombardier," said SAS spokesman Hans Ollongren.
The company will start its compensation talks with the Canadian plane maker shortly, he said, without giving a more specific timeframe.
Ollongren said SAS has lost around US$62 million since the grounding of its turboprop fleet. "But there are other costs involved, too, related to credibility and other things."
He declined to comment on whether SAS plans to sue Bombardier, saying only that "we'll start with discussions. We won't go into methods yet."
SAS will start flying its turboprops again Thursday after a three-week stoppage for maintenance and inspections of the planes.
Bombardier shares were down 10 cents or 1.62 per cent to $6.08 in trading Wednesday afternoon on the Toronto Stock Exchange.
Looks like Bombardier got a $77million bill in the mail...
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Menasco doesSiddley Hawker wrote:Who builds the landing gear for the Q400, Dowty or Menasco? Whoever it is is going to find out that shit rolls downhill at a great rate.
But shouldn't some of blame go to SAS? Couldn't their guys check for corrosion during maintenance checks?
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But they do not fly the 400s.Rudy wrote:Maybe it's because Jazz flies their planes.Vickers vanguard wrote:why do I have the bad impression that a lot of people on this forum would love to see Bombardier go tits up ??? is it because it's based mainly in Quebec ?
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Timetable code: DH3
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Number of aircraft in fleet: 26
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Cargo capacity: 2,500 lbs (1,134 kg)
Fuel capacity: 846 usg (3,202 l)
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Menasco was acquired by Goodrich. Here is something from their site:conehead wrote:Neither. I believe it's Goodrich.Siddley Hawker wrote:Who builds the landing gear for the Q400, Dowty or Menasco?
"Through acquisitions, some of the most respected names in the industry became part of BFGoodrich -- Rosemount Aerospace in sensors, Simmonds in fuels systems, Rohr in aerostructures, and Cleveland Pneumatic and Menasco in landing gear. New products developed internally and expansion into maintenance and repair services further added to the company's growth. As a result, during the 1990s, aerospace sales increased 10-fold to $3.7 billion annually. Today, Goodrich products are on almost every aircraft in the world and increasingly so on satellites."
BTW apparently preliminary findings point to corrosion of a critical part due to dissimilar metals. Not an issue on the 100,200, & 300 series.

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Supposedly Bombardier chose to source out production of most components on the Q series in the event of this scenario.....lawsuits! Don't know if it is true but I was told that on the Dash 8-100,200,300 Bombardier made alot of the compnets it self but have since then been deterred by other lawsuits, i.e. Pinnacle crash... Apparently the landing gear on the Q series is nowhere near as rugged as the earlier Dash 8 models.
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Thanks Ty. Wasn't aware of this.TyrellCorp wrote:Menasco was acquired by Goodrich. Here is something from their site:
"Through acquisitions, some of the most respected names in the industry became part of BFGoodrich -- Rosemount Aerospace in sensors, Simmonds in fuels systems, Rohr in aerostructures, and Cleveland Pneumatic and Menasco in landing gear. New products developed internally and expansion into maintenance and repair services further added to the company's growth. As a result, during the 1990s, aerospace sales increased 10-fold to $3.7 billion annually. Today, Goodrich products are on almost every aircraft in the world and increasingly so on satellites."
BTW apparently preliminary findings point to corrosion of a critical part due to dissimilar metals. Not an issue on the 100,200, & 300 series.