Liberals again? Screw you Ontario, I am moving to Alberta!

comanchepilot · Post by **comanchepilot** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:47 pm

Anyone else pissed off about the results of the election this evening?

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:51 pm

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:52 pm

When they do the autopsy on this fiasco, it will show John Tory made the biggest blunder of the decade with this religious school funding disaster and handed the liberals the election on a golden platter. It was his to lose, and he lost it.

Floats · Post by **Floats** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:40 pm

voters in Ontario are fu*&king stupid. We are all gonna wake up tommorrow with a four year hangover.

faith based aside (with a free vote, it would never see the light of day)

what did voters have in favour of voting for Dalton? What did he do that was good?

If you voted Liberal today, you are an idiot. and I will be coming to your door, so you can personally pay me back the money taken for this stupid health premium.

floats

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:19 pm

This should serve as a lesson to prospective politicians in this province.. If you say anything that even kinda sounds like you want to give public funding to religious schools, you might as well just throw a puppy off the CN Tower on live TV.

Tory didn't even manage to win his own seat. That's almost impressive.

CD · Post by CD » Thu Oct 11, 2007 3:07 am

Floats wrote:voters in Ontario are fu*&king stupid. We are all gonna wake up tommorrow with a four year hangover.

faith based aside (with a free vote, it would never see the light of day)

What was it they said about failing to learn from history?

The Progressive Conservative Party dominated Ontario's political system from 1943 to 1985 and earned the nickname of the Big Blue Machine. During this period the party was led by Red Tory premiers: George Drew, Leslie Frost, John Robarts and Bill Davis. These governments were responsible for some of the province's most progressive social legislation (including the Ontario Code of Human Rights), the creation of most of Ontario's welfare state and social programs, the creation of many Crown Corporations, and strong economic growth. Though the Conservatives were reduced to a minority government in 1975 and 1977, they stayed in power as they moved to the left of the rural-based Liberals. In addition, the Liberal and NDP opposition parties had been unwilling to cooperate. The Conservatives' were returned with a majority government in 1981.

However, in 1985, the party took a radical shift to the right, electing Frank Miller as leader at a leadership convention, following the retirement of popular longtime Red Tory Premier Bill Davis. This shift in policy did not help the party's fortunes, nor did Davis' announcement to extend full funding for Catholic schools, the latter which alienated the Conservatives' rural supporters. After 42 years of governing Ontario, the 1985 election reduced the Tories to a minority in the Legislature, with only four seats more than the opposition Liberals. The Tories won fewer votes over all than the Liberals. Miller attempted to forge an alliance with the NDP, as Bill Davis did during his minority terms (1975-1981), but they were unable to come to an agreement. The Liberals of David Peterson and the New Democrats of Bob Rae signed an accord (not a formal coalition), ousting Frank Miller, and ending one of the longest political dynasties in Canadian history.

CarbIce · Post by **CarbIce** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:12 am

comanchepilot wrote:Anyone else pissed off about the results of the election this evening?

Yup... caught the last half of a radio segment that said if MMP had been voted in, the libs would not have had majority... not sure if MMP would have helped in this election though.

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:16 am

You know what? with something like 61L to 25C the last I remember it would seem like the conservative supporters are the wrong. Thats a pretty commanding lead. Its pretty arragant to be such a minority in the political spectrum and then say the majority is wrong.

sigmet77 · Post by **sigmet77** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:26 am

Yes but you can be arrogant when you are right. At least I voted unlike 49% of the other people here, I can complain full time about the stupid government because of it. Those that didn't vote, shut up. Stupid people giving up a right that many others don't have.

Splatm · Post by **Splatm** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:09 am

And I think that is the most embarrassing part of the whole thing, only 1/2 of Ontarians cared enough to get off the couch and vote. That is disgusting from any side.
Maybe the results would have been different if people bothered to show up.

mantogasrsrwy · Post by **mantogasrsrwy** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:18 am

If they had all got off the couch we would probably have an NDP government now.

flyinphil · Post by **flyinphil** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:26 am

Isn't it pretty safe to say that those who didn't vote equally represent the outcome? I don't think more voters would really have changed the percentages all that much.

Tory screwed up with the ultra-conservative religion based school funding which smacks far too much of our neighbours to the south. That scares a lot of people. If Harper wants a majority government, he will also have to distance himself from that group to the extent he can. Not too many many Canadians want to call Bush family!

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:31 am

It's what the GTA wanted. SNAFU

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:45 am

I voted Red and for the new method of voting, I only won in one area but I am ok with that.

I just don't Identify with the concervatives, I would take lying and cheating any day over intolerance. Im pro-choice, I think its none of anyones business who a man or a woman screw, and to a large extent I am a socialist, not a marxist but the privatise everything attitude of the PC is just too far right for me. I liked some of their platform but realistically I could never see myself voting blue. If this newfangled voting method was put in place atleast if there ever was a blue canditate that was centered enough I could agree with him, I could vote him in and still give my vote to the libs. Oh well.

Atleast the liberals and the concervatives were commited to something. I was watching the local debate in my Barrie and while I admire the green parties eviromental platform I couldnt stand how passive they were on many issues.

How do we take care of the issue of the 400 between Barrie and the GTA? Some would say we widen it, some would say we make another highway to alleviate the burden, but the Green party thinks we should enact programs to make people drive less on the roads. A good idea in principal but tell me how in a growing ontario you are going to make sure that there arent more people on this chunk of highway? Their solutions could never really work. I think NDP and Green make a great opposition but would spell disaster if were ever actually elected government.

Chop&Drop · Post by **Chop&Drop** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:40 am

It's interesting to see the AvCanada results with the rest of Ontario. Seems as if those in flying world vote blue.

But I am scared to think that if only 51% of Ontarians voted what the results could have been if everyone had voted. I'm not saying that the result would have been any diffrent, but at least we'd know where the people of the province stand not just the ones who were too lazy to get off their asses!

LegoMan · Post by **LegoMan** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:31 am

People probably didnt care to vote because:

A.) they knew either way they would get screwed, no party really offered anything.

or

B.) they were to busy working 2 jobs to pay their taxes.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:43 am

I'm not pissed off, because I now know that all the problems in my life for the next 4 years will be niss' fault.

-istp

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:57 am

If only John Tory promised to crack down on public breastfeeding....

petite · Post by **petite** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:58 am

Everyday I get happier about having left Ontario.

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:52 am

niss wrote:I just don't Identify with the concervatives, I would take lying and cheating any day over intolerance.

You've been reading too many Liberal press releases Niss. Try looking at the Conservatives without the Liberal / NDB filter and you might see that conservatives are very much like you.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:58 am

In fact, the Tory plan would save the Jewish schools in Toronto a pile of $$$$.

BTW, niss. I'm still blaming you.

-istp

niss · Post by **niss** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:01 pm

I disliked the idea of gov't funded religious schools.

And besides the concervative party being against same sex marrage and abortion just on a level of principal is what I do not agree with.

I identify with the libs more than the concervatives.

Lesser of two evils.

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:04 pm

Sounds Green to me, niss.

If I get a bad mark on my Psych test I took today, I have no one to blame but you and the McGuinty Liberals.

-istp

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:07 pm

I can't believe a whole election swung on the private schools issue. What a non-event. The kids have to be educated and the government is supposed to pay so.....what?

"There's bigots on the starboard bow,
Starboard bow
Starboard bow
There's bigots on the starboard bow..."

Somebody explain to me why that's so scary?

AUGER9 · Post by **AUGER9** » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:18 pm

niss wrote:
I identify with the libs more than the concervatives.

Lesser of two evils.

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LegoMan wrote: People probably didnt care to vote because:

A.) they knew either way they would get screwed, no party really offered anything.

or

B.) they were to busy working 2 jobs to pay their taxes.

or C) Is in college and wasn't allowed to vote because I wasnt in my electoral district at time of the election.

Liberals again? Screw you Ontario, I am moving to Alberta!

Liberals again? Screw you Ontario, I am moving to Alberta!

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