Did Jazz pick up planes from Delta Connection / Comair?

[Alex YCV]

I saw an RJ come into montreal today, in Delta Connection colors but with the name stripped, using a Jazz 99xx flight number headed directly to Execair. Did they pick up some extra planes?

[fougapilot]

NavCanada picked up 3 ex Delta/Comair RJ to replace their aging fleet of CL601-1A. The airplane were delivered sometime last year and were undergoing modifications at Innotech to install the equipment required for them to do their flight inspection thing.

Could be one of their airplane.

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[Alex YCV]

Not sure. The plane landed with a jazz flight number 99xx I think, and headed right off, didn't go to the gates, and didn't go to the Air Canada hanger either.

[fougapilot]

Don't know about the Jazz call sign, but Execaire and Innotech are in the same hangar.

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[oldtimer]

Maybe the owners/ overhaul facility hired Jazz to go get the airplane. That would be a simple solution if the airplane has been reregistered as a Canadian airplane.

[WJ700]

Or did Jazz replace the RJ that had the gear collapse in YYZ?

[Bede]

The gear collapse will be replaced by a 705. It is already painted and waiting for some paperwork.

I could imagine that NavCanada contracted Jazz to pick up the airplane - provide pilots, flight following, etc.

[linecrew]

NavCanada picked up 3 ex Delta/Comair RJ to replace their aging fleet of CL601-1A. The airplane were delivered sometime last year and were undergoing modifications at Innotech to install the equipment required for them to do their flight inspection thing.

Could be one of their airplane.

F

They only got two RJ's and they were previously operated by the now defunct US carrier Independence Air. Here's a pic of one of them in Calgary already wearing it's Cdn registration.

[whiteguy]

[quote="Bede"]The gear collapse will be replaced by a 705. It is already painted and waiting for some paperwork.

Are you sure about that?? I thought Jazz can only have as many 705s as ERJ175s at mainline as part of the scope.

[F-16]

Nothing's been decided yet - will be ruled on by an arbitrator soon.

It's a non issue if the company gets a CRJ 200. If they want another 75 seater it goes to AC and should be an E175.

[thrust set]

The stance from ACPA is that it "contravenes the Jets Settlement agreement that was reached during CCAA. Arbitrator Martin Teplitsky has jurisdiction on this file and has established a procedure and timetable for receiving submissions from all affected parties (Air Canada, Jazz, ACPA and ALPA Jazz MEC). A hearing date has been set for November 6, 2007 for presentation of final submissions. He will likely render his decision soon after the hearing ."

"It's a non issue if the company gets a CRJ 200. If they want another 75 seater it goes to AC and should be an E175"

If it satisfies the business plan put forth by Jazz, is supported by Air Canada, and shows no "harm" towards ACPA then the aircraft will enter service for Jazz. If my memory is correct, Teplitsky ruled on the additional aircraft that Jazz received from Independence Air

Cheers

[fougapilot]

They only got two RJ's and they were previously operated by the now defunct US carrier Independence Air.

Oops, my bad. The worst is I use to see them everyday at work. How could have I confused Independence Air with Comair...

[Bravo1Six]

Nothing's been decided yet - will be ruled on by an arbitrator soon.

It's a non issue if the company gets a CRJ 200. If they want another 75 seater it goes to AC and should be an E175.

The arbitrator ruled in favour of Jazz (this week I believe). They are permitted to replace the CRJ 200 with a 705.

[piggy]

I believe this is just the beginning in the long term for jazz. As passenger # grows over the next 10 years with increase in intl and domestic traffic and the CRJ becomes too small for the routes flown by jazz, will create a business case for CRJ 700/900/705/1000 to replace older CRJ100/200 or in addition to the current fleet. Increasing frequency on a route can only be done so much until a larger a/c is required (and scope will be pushed to the absolute limit as we all know!).
Also AC costs will increase as the long term price of oil will continue to rise even considering that oil is sold in US dollars. If AC aircraft total fleet grows with international traffic (westjet will continue to erode AC 's domestic market share), then it is a done deal. IMHO.

[bcflyer]

Just to play devils advocate here, why would A/C purchase larger RJ's when they already have the EMB? That would seem to be the logical next step in developing a route. Look at San Diego. It started off as a 705 and is now an EMB.

[piggy]

Jazz is much cheaper to operate with CRJ and there is not much different between a large RJ than a EMB, depending on the initial purchase price. I could be wrong, but there is limited orders for the EMB available. Also AC will be stretched to the limit with their current fleet of emb. Look at the load factors. The company will do whatever it can to get larger crj at jazz and grow jazz, esp. with increased costs on the horizon. If jazz has been flying a lot of these routes for years and there is growth on the route, then they will put forth a business case in front of teplisky for a larger CRJ-you can count on it if history is any measure. Some of those routes will go to emb, you are rgt, but all of them?? In addition, the CRJ is used to develop a route, and as traffic grows new routes will emerge requiring more a/c. Remember that pax traffic is projected to grow A LOT over the next 20 years, whether it be intl., domestic n america or domestic asia. My guess is that AC and Jazz will both grow in size, however AC domestic growth is limited by westjet and somewhat jazz. Jazz growth limited by scope which i feel can be nothing but weakened slowly over time, one can only guess, IMHO

[Alex YCV]

I'm going to take a wander over later tonight or tomorrow and see if that plane is sitting at Execair or Innotech and see if I can get a tail number, that might say more.