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superiorwhore
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GilletteNorth
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Not so cool... it's lucky the pilot didn't dig the left wing in on that first turn. The caption is laughable though, "PILOTS, DON'T TRY THIS BY YOURSELVES! MANEUVERS SHOWN HERE WERE HARDLY TRAINED BEFORE THIS AIRSHOW".
Having a standard that pilots lose their licence after making a mistake despite doing no harm to aircraft or passengers means soon you needn't worry about a pilot surplus or pilots offering to fly for free. Where do you get your experience from?
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superiorwhore
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What makes you think he knew what he was doing simply because he's flying at an airshow? Unless you are very disciplined, flying in an actual airshow can tempt you do things you wouldn't normally do, and that is clearly what happened here. There is not a responsible corporate management anywhere on the planet that would sanction this kind of stupidity. What do you think would happen to TAP's reputation and financial prospects, not to mention insurance premiums, if this shmoe had rolled it up into a ball and killed a bunch of people?
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Cat Driver
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That makes it even worse......Holly smokes guys take it easy, he/she probably didnt mean to cut it that close.
...WTF was he doing that low if he couldn't judge his height?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Cat Driver
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Cat Driver
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It was.(I am thinking the latter)
We had a two hundred foot floor for all the airshows I flew in in Europe...violate it and goodbye to your Air Display Authority until you had a hearing to explain why you went below two hundred feet.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I don't know skycoupe because I do not have a air display license to fly in North America.
The Europeans are very strict because of a few bad crashes at air shows....the first year I flew in air shows in Europe was 1997 and we flew in the Munich air show and that was the year they started to allow air shows again after having banned them....they were paranoid about the 200 foot floor.....
...the last year I flew in Holland ( 2005 ) they used a radar gun to measure our height and they had no sense of humor about going outside your box.....
.....I don't miss flying the air show circuit one bit.
The Europeans are very strict because of a few bad crashes at air shows....the first year I flew in air shows in Europe was 1997 and we flew in the Munich air show and that was the year they started to allow air shows again after having banned them....they were paranoid about the 200 foot floor.....
...the last year I flew in Holland ( 2005 ) they used a radar gun to measure our height and they had no sense of humor about going outside your box.....
.....I don't miss flying the air show circuit one bit.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
I only have a PPL and so I've never worked commercially as a pilot.
I think that video should be terrifying. If the wing had dug in, if the aircraft stalled and crashed, maybe it only kills the crew, maybe it takes out a city block.
The other hundreds, or maybe thousands of employees would lose their jobs; none of THEM acted foolishly, none of them did anything to deserve losing their livelihood and their means to support their families.
Someone explained it to me like that to me a while ago, and it has completely changed the way I look at what my responsibility will be as a crewmember. Just because I can do it, doesn't mean I should. Most pilots could probably fly an airbus in a 40 degree turn 50 ft above the ground, and needing to prove you can do it, in front of a bunch of people you don't know, who won't care 3 hours later is what makes it dangerous.
Flight Sim is probably the right place to do that kind of flying though.
I think that video should be terrifying. If the wing had dug in, if the aircraft stalled and crashed, maybe it only kills the crew, maybe it takes out a city block.
The other hundreds, or maybe thousands of employees would lose their jobs; none of THEM acted foolishly, none of them did anything to deserve losing their livelihood and their means to support their families.
Someone explained it to me like that to me a while ago, and it has completely changed the way I look at what my responsibility will be as a crewmember. Just because I can do it, doesn't mean I should. Most pilots could probably fly an airbus in a 40 degree turn 50 ft above the ground, and needing to prove you can do it, in front of a bunch of people you don't know, who won't care 3 hours later is what makes it dangerous.
Flight Sim is probably the right place to do that kind of flying though.
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Hey capgen you are right on...but even better than flight sim is the real sim ....Flight Sim is probably the right place to do that kind of flying though.
...when I was working for Airbus a few years ago I got to do training in the Airbus sim at the factory and we did exactly that...trying to see who could do the shortest circuit we crashed the thing by accidently dragging a wing in a turn.....
...when it crashes it is quite an experience fuc.in impressive it was.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Here's a link to CASS 623.07 which details Canadian Airshow regulations.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/Regse ... m#623d1_07
If you look 1/3 to 1/2 way down the page it details minimum altitudes, and the absolute minimum for any aircraft is 200 feet in a level flypast. Turns have to be much higher for safety reasons and I don't think the 5-6 feet of wingtip to ground clearance this bozo had quite meets the Canadian standard. After the Ramstein crash in '88 the Europeans lost their sense of fun and adventure when it comes to risky maneuvers in airshows. I would venture a guess that both TAP and this particular pilot had some serious discussions with the authorities behind closed doors after this episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfv2II_alY
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/Regse ... m#623d1_07
If you look 1/3 to 1/2 way down the page it details minimum altitudes, and the absolute minimum for any aircraft is 200 feet in a level flypast. Turns have to be much higher for safety reasons and I don't think the 5-6 feet of wingtip to ground clearance this bozo had quite meets the Canadian standard. After the Ramstein crash in '88 the Europeans lost their sense of fun and adventure when it comes to risky maneuvers in airshows. I would venture a guess that both TAP and this particular pilot had some serious discussions with the authorities behind closed doors after this episode.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dfv2II_alY
