Getting both AME M + AME E a good idea?

Kei605 · Post by **Kei605** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:26 am

Hi,

soo as the title says is this a good idea? Currently i'm in the AME M program at BCIT. I was considering pursuing the AME E program as soon as i finnish. Is this a good idea? Would it increase your chances for a job in the future? as well as being able to make more money?

Also one last question, if i were to persue both licensing am i able to do both at the same time? or would i have to do one after the other?

TIA~ for all your info!

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:08 am

An AME "M" rating allows you to do and sign "E" tasks.
If you were in an "E" program now id say an "M" rating would be benifical to you job hunt, yes.
But you cannot get a "M" licence then an "E", but you can get an "E" licence then an "M".

ourkid2000 · Post by **ourkid2000** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:39 am

Correct me if i'm wrong but don't you need an M2 & M1 license to sign E tasks off? I know when I worked at Canjet, I worked with a M2 & M1 who was allowed to sign E tasks......the other M2's couldn't.

The school I went to offered a combined M & E course so I have completed the basic requirements for both so I was wondering, the same as you, if I could get both licenses. I called Transport Canada about it and the guy said that if you get your E license (which is what i'm working for) and have also completed the basic training for a M license that after working as a M apprentice for 1 year you can get your M license.

As long as you have the courses, it will take 1 year to get the other license.....it doesn't matter which way you start. Some employers will help you out here if you're the avionics guy or something and you want to apprentice as an M to get that M license.

mjwkoch · Post by **mjwkoch** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:47 am

You can hold an M1 rating and an E rating. As soon as you gain an M2 rating you will lose the the E rating because M1 and M2 combined holds
the same privaleges as an E. The same goes with an S license

Kei605 · Post by **Kei605** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:21 pm

Thanks for the quick and helpful responses so far! Much appreciated

soo its probably better to get out there and work as soon as i finish my AME M program and try to get a M1 + M2 and learn most of the avionic skills on the job rather than go for that AME E program. Basically what i'm after is being able to gain as much certification and skills as much as possible so that i have lots of room to move up the ladder and that i have lots of doors open for me to move to higher positions.

From my understanding a M1 is for light and simple aircraft and M2 is for heavy and complex aircraft, to attain both are you required to do 2 separate log books? as well as different tests?

A question for the AME M guys do u find specializing into a specific job is better than knowing a broad range of things like avionics, structures, etc etc.

MCRS · Post by **MCRS** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:51 pm

Read your CARS Chapter 566 That will tell you all you need to know about Experience what needs to be in your logbook and what the break down is for M1, M2, S, and E ratings.
Here is the address directly to the reference.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... s/566s.htm

Good luck!

mcrs

CID · Post by **CID** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:40 pm

From what I understand, an "M" doesn't neccessarily encompass the privelages of an "E'. E licenses include "blanket" endorsements for all types. M licenses don't.

From what I've heard, TC is trying to retire the E license entirely so this discussion may become obsolete.

ourkid2000 · Post by **ourkid2000** » Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:03 pm

They better not!

Jeez, with all the electronics on aircraft today you'd think the E licensed guys would be useful, relevant, and necessary for many years to come.

MCRS · Post by **MCRS** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:00 pm

Yeah don't let the E people hear you say that! They just might jump all over that!

Don't know about other smaller shops but, the ones I worked at installed and remove the Avionics as modules and sent to an Avionics shop for repair.
Maybe now those shops are following the trend I see with M shops. Increasing the apprentice to Engineer ratio in favour of apprentices.
One shop I worked in had five apprentices to one Engineer.
My buddy at another shop had 6 to the Engineer.
Does that seem to follow with E or S shops as well?

bombardierfixer · Post by **bombardierfixer** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:08 pm

From what I understand only m licenses require the aircraft endorsement (type) but this is for the actual release. A S or E guy can get his stamp (ACA) once he gets his license. This entitles the S/E person to sign off on work pertaining to that particular trade but the S/E license can not release a aircraft back to service only M license with the appropriate endorsement can do that. M license carries more responsibility hence the endorsement course.

Akira · Post by **Akira** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:12 pm

bombardierfixer wrote:From what I understand only m licenses require the aircraft endorsement (type) but this is for the actual release. A S or E guy can get his stamp (ACA) once he gets his license. This entitles the S/E person to sign off on work pertaining to that particular trade but the S/E license can not release a aircraft back to service only M license with the appropriate endorsement can do that. M license carries more responsibility hence the endorsement course.

true but i believe E/S need time on aircraft, as well it will have to do with the AMO's MCM. IF the AMO doenst have E aca's in there mcm then they can issue one no matter if there endoursed and have time on the ac.
as well if the mcm states that aca's require an endoursement then they will need it no matter the rating

ad81 · Post by **ad81** » Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:20 pm

I see BCIT got a new school but is it just as much of a crappy school as when I went through there?

log sheet · Post by **log sheet** » Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:02 pm

I have an E and soon an M1.
It is the combination of M1 an M2 which would allow you to have E privellages. Transport says no other rating will be issued if you have both.
You will still need training and experience to get the authority.

Having gone the same route you are considering, If I had to do it all again I would have just done the M program. Unless of course you plan to get into bench work where you go inside the radio at component level then you will need the E course.
Like MCRS said most places replace the box.
Cheers!

jetdoc · Post by **jetdoc** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:29 am

I originally went to school for my E, then after a bit of procrastination and the changes to licensing saw my best route was an M, which I then completed. I am currently M1 & M2, and with the avionics training + experience I can work as an E. I would not give up my E background for anything. I have worked with many M engineers who struggle when it comes to anything electrical/electronic. I did, as part of my E apprenticeship, work in both an avionics and instrument shop so I have a very comprehensive background which helps me understand many systems and snags on the aircraft. I would encourage anyone to take the E course if only for the background information.

log sheet · Post by **log sheet** » Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:44 pm

Very true statements jetdoc, and no matter what the experience and education can never be taken away.