Person flipping out on Air Canada flight LHR-YYZ..

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:01 am

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=944_1197550450

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:07 am

should have shot him

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:36 am

Not funny. A person in that much distress can do real harm to other passengers, the aircraft and themselves. It is no picnic dealing with that kind of thing or being another passenger nearby witnessing it because you can't call the cops or shove him out the door onto the sidewalk. There is also probably a medical reason why this man is wigging out the way he is so shooting him is probably a little severe although they are using the restraint kit. Looks like the crew did an excellent job of handling it with the help of other passengers.

THEICEMAN · Post by **THEICEMAN** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:48 am

The fact he had a middle seat probably didn't help??

dashx · Post by **dashx** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:52 am

It's a distressing video and one that should not have been posted (should have shot him? says it all).

There are some things best left out of public view.

On the other hand as was said already the crew did an excellent job.

"My partner and I"???? well let's not even go there "girlfriend"........

Big Pratt · Post by **Big Pratt** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:31 pm

It's a distressing video and one that should not have been posted

I disagree.
I think that it serves a "training" purpose for the crew members that come here.
It allows them to see what can happen and lets them think how they would deal with such an event on their flight.

Had it made CTV/Global evening news then I would have to agree that it has no business being shown to the wide public, but here, I think it serves a purpose.

BP

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:35 pm

That's distressing to watch? WOW...

DFione1 · Post by **DFione1** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:09 pm

A very disturbing video, I have to agree. However, I truely agree with using it as a training aid. I don't have the full story on what exactly happen but I think its totally wrong for us to make comments like "should have shot him". To me, the situation was handled incorrectly. You have a man who is scared for his life and you put restraints on him? That will just make him panick more. Also, having all the other men around didn't make the situation any better. I know the men's intentions were nothing but good. Until we know the whole story, there's nothing else we can really do but learn from it.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:28 pm

It looked to me like the 2 other guys were feds escorting this guy with the restraints. They didn't seem to do too shit hot of a job keeping him in the restraints though. If not shoot him at least tasered the hell out of him. The guy was likely hopped up on drugs and had paranoia kicking in. Taser him gag him and throw him in the back of the plane and duct tape his ass to the seat.

I still vote for shooting the nut

Guido · Post by **Guido** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:49 pm

Dust Devil wrote:It looked to me like the 2 other guys were feds escorting this guy with the restraints. They didn't seem to do too shit hot of a job keeping him in the restraints though. If not shoot him at least tasered the hell out of him. The guy was likely hopped up on drugs and had paranoia kicking in. Taser him gag him and throw him in the back of the plane and duct tape his ass to the seat.

I still vote for shooting the nut

And I'd vote for shooting you, you idiot. But I guess it's a good thing neither you or I are in charge.

Dust Devil · Post by **Dust Devil** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:05 pm

Guido wrote:
Dust Devil wrote:It looked to me like the 2 other guys were feds escorting this guy with the restraints. They didn't seem to do too shit hot of a job keeping him in the restraints though. If not shoot him at least tasered the hell out of him. The guy was likely hopped up on drugs and had paranoia kicking in. Taser him gag him and throw him in the back of the plane and duct tape his ass to the seat.

I still vote for shooting the nut
And I'd vote for shooting you, you idiot. But I guess it's a good thing neither you or I are in charge.

dude relax

N2 · Post by N2 » Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:44 am

Maybe he knew the pilots and thought well the take off part they have down pat, but the landing....well!

Rockie · Post by **Rockie** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:09 am

Dust Devil wrote:It looked to me like the 2 other guys were feds escorting this guy with the restraints. They didn't seem to do too shit hot of a job keeping him in the restraints though. If not shoot him at least tasered the hell out of him. The guy was likely hopped up on drugs and had paranoia kicking in. Taser him gag him and throw him in the back of the plane and duct tape his ass to the seat.

I still vote for shooting the nut

The restraints he has on are the plastic type carried on board for this type of incident where a passenger has to be restrained. If he were being escorted by police he would have on regular handcuffs. The guy nearest the camera could be a plumber, stock broker, off duty police officer or contract killer. But I'll bet the one on the far side is a cabin crew member because it would be his job to calm him down.

Good thing you weren't there.

mellow_pilot · Post by **mellow_pilot** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:50 am

DFione1 wrote:A very disturbing video, I have to agree. However, I truely agree with using it as a training aid. I don't have the full story on what exactly happen but I think its totally wrong for us to make comments like "should have shot him". To me, the situation was handled incorrectly. You have a man who is scared for his life and you put restraints on him? That will just make him panick more. Also, having all the other men around didn't make the situation any better. I know the men's intentions were nothing but good. Until we know the whole story, there's nothing else we can really do but learn from it.

I was being sarcastic. That's not disturbing to watch. That's a normal night at the bar, some idiot flipping out for no reason and a couple guys are forced to intervene, when all the wanted to do was sit there, drink their beer and eat their damn peanuts. Although the airline peanuts are probably harder to get these days.

I'm not sure how you meant "disturbing", but I really don't see it. Whopty-do, guy freaked out. He was controlled. No issue. Ya, makes for a shitty flight, I'd probably prefer the kid kicking your seat, at least then you can bitch out the parents. But honestly, have people gotten so soft that a video of some guy having a lapse of sanity is "disturbing"?

flyincanuck · Post by **flyincanuck** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:55 am

was that the purser on the left side? kudos to him for keeping his cool. If i had my arms around buddy like he did, i would have been very tempted to choke him...especially when he started flipping out towards the end.

Nice work on everyones part.

Wilbur · Post by **Wilbur** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:45 am

Looks like an anxiety (panic) attack; I've seen a few of them (not in airplanes). Take a guy with an aversion to flying, make him feel a little clostrophobic/confined in the middle of a row, add a long flight, and maybe some other stressors in his personal life, and this is what you can get. This guy wasn't too bad, just some yelling and disconnect from reality. Some people will start running about, climbing over people and obstacles, and try escaping the environment. Some lash out and start swinging when restrained.

I notice they either didn't get the zap straps on both wrists, or they had them too loose and he slipped out of one. They should have been applied with his hands behind his back, (in front has little restraint effect) and then he could have been put in a seat with the lap belt holding him in place. No idea what airline training dictates, but if it were up to me, once in restraints I'd move him to a visually less confining spot which might help him get through the attack a little quicker.

I used to work with a guy (25 years ago) who reacted very much like this guy. Terrified of flying, but had to travel occasionally for business. Had to drink himself into near unconciousness to get through a long flight. On one trip he actually crawled under the seat in front of him while yelling they were all going to die. Landed in YVR a complete train wreck. Thoroughly messed up with booze, lost his shoes somewhere in the airplane, clothes torn and tattered from crawling under and over seats. It was a night flight and he noticed a light outside the airplane. He assumed it was on the ground, saw it wasn't moving, and therefore concluded they must be going straight down to a fiery conclusion with the ground. After his panic attack he learned the light was on the wing. I'm sure he would find himself on a no-fly list these days.

Justwannafly · Post by **Justwannafly** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:45 pm

Wilbur wrote:I used to work with a guy (25 years ago) who reacted very much like this guy. Terrified of flying, but had to travel occasionally for business. Had to drink himself into near unconciousness to get through a long flight. On one trip he actually crawled under the seat in front of him while yelling they were all going to die. Landed in YVR a complete train wreck. Thoroughly messed up with booze, lost his shoes somewhere in the airplane, clothes torn and tattered from crawling under and over seats. It was a night flight and he noticed a light outside the airplane. He assumed it was on the ground, saw it wasn't moving, and therefore concluded they must be going straight down to a fiery conclusion with the ground. After his panic attack he learned the light was on the wing. I'm sure he would find himself on a no-fly list these days.

lol poor guy...must have been a skinny guy cause there isn't much room under those seats...grr I hate it when my fellow passengers crawl under my seat

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