Proper radio calls.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Thu Oct 14, 2004 11:13 pm

Like some have mentioned, some crews are not using the radio like (or when) they should. It can't be stressed how important it is to make a timely clear concise call. Calling 5 miles out just doesn't cut it.
With everyone on GPS direct tracks, I have come too close for comfort to other aircraft either departing or arriving, and not on the frequency.

There has been some mention of us "northern" drivers. I hate to admit it, but calls do tend to get missed more up there. In the absence of ATC, it's up to us to monitor each other.

On the other hand in highly congested uncontrolled airspace a quick who, what, where, and when, does wonders for the situational awareness. Unlike a long-winded 30-second speal on your life story jamming up the frequency.

A few other pet peeves: Getting into a full-blown conversation on 126.7, go up a nickel.
Or trying to get in a position call when some big ass jet calls to get weather for the northern hemisphere on 126.7…. there are alternate frequency’s, look em up in the CFS.

End of rant.

Cheers.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 6:45 am

KAG...I think half the problem is there is just too much gabbing on the radio in general. My pet peeve is FSS, making a point of repeating everything we say...to another aircraft who...guess what?...heard us the first time. And tieing up the MF with unconflicting advisories...AFTER we've told him we have the traffic and numbers! eg. "we have an Otter taxing on Big Wood(Gawd I love that lake's name)departing to the north, when we're inbound from the south! Then there's the guy who does a big long advisory and leaves the airport name till the end!
Bottom line here KAG, the only real defence we have is to have two eyes outside at all times, and leave the strobes on.

KAG · Post by **KAG** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:15 am

I also love hearing all the notams everyday, not to mention those all important runway condition reports on VFR summer days. I know it's their job and they do it well, but they could ask if have the notams instead of telling us daily that that there is a burnt out light somewhere.

Cheers.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:25 am

CURSE YOU KAG (Doc jumping around shaking fist) you wrecked my whole morning....how dare you bring up RSCR's?? Tis the season. POOP!!

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:34 am

Doc,
What I want to know is why the word "Big" is used to describe that lake at all? Why not "Postage Stamp Lake Infested by Dead Tree Snags" or "Sticky Puddle Lake" or "Pokey Pond Scum Puddle"....

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:43 am

Radio calls, like landings, are better when they don't run on excessively

Say it clearly. Say as little as possible. And the next person that says, "any conflicts, please advise on 1XX.XX" be forewarned that I will track you down and beat you with a rubber hose.

jackrabbit · Post by **jackrabbit** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:24 am

OK, this is going to piss a lot of people of but....

I like to hear the registration again at the end of an advisory.

How many times have you been sitting there in cruise doin' the head bobs, or talking on another freq. or chatting with the capt/fo about the one toothed beauty you visited last night when an advisory comes over the radio. More than likely you missed the first 2 secs. and now there is a plane heading right for you but you don't know who they are. I have no problem with the 2 secs it takes to say the reg. at the end again. In fact I appreciate it and don't understand the grief it gets. So to those who do it, keep up the good work!!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:56 am

You mean you want to know the registration of the plane you are about to smack into?

TTail · Post by **TTail** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:22 pm

jackrabbit,

thats the exact reason why I always finish my "uncontrolled airspace" calls with the registration again. You have a very valid point. and so does Cat Driver for that matter!!

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:30 pm

Who cares if as Cat said, you know the registration of the aircraft you're about to hit. It's considerably more important to repeat your location at the end of a broadcast. That way those at different airports with the same freq, can relax when you've called final for 16 just as they're turning final for 34. Conversely, it also lets someone who may have missed your initial location call under the same situation at the same airport know that it's time to start sweating.

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:38 pm

Here's one that will cheese you all off - my pet peeve is the nimrods who start their calls "Charlie Golf." Ooooh I get so mad I could just pinch my copilot!

Cat Driver · Post by **Cat Driver** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 7:57 pm

the biggest problem is frequency clutter.

Today we were doing some water work in the Gulf islands and 123.20 was really useless at times due to so many float planes using it to position report.

Airplanes fifty miles away can walk right over someone near you due to their height or just more powerful transmitter.

Basically there is just to much chatter and not enough precise location and intent information...

As to the aircraft regristration, I am far more interested in the aircraft type, I can recognize a Beaver or Twin Otter from several miles away but I sure can't read the regristration.

Cat

Cat

CClub · Post by **CClub** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:25 pm

While everyone is adding their pet peeves in radio calls I'll add my own:

1. People in Manitoba who make postion reports 90-250nm north of Winnipeg. I know it's Manitoba and all, but there has to be something out there slightly closer and more specific than Winnipeg.

2. People who start every transmission with "and"

3. I know it's in the AIP to do so, but the use of "over". Man that's annoying.

DragEraser · Post by **DragEraser** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:53 pm

.....or when they tell you they're on 26.7 and 23.2. THEN, when you try to call them, they're nowhere to be found. Switch to THEIR company and there they are. WTF?

"Over"

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greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 9:54 pm

KAG...

Now that was a good rant!!

Yes, be short and to the point, but for gods sake COMMUNICATE!!! I think too many of us were over-taught 'proper' radio use back in school and haven't moved on!

On one to many an occasion I've been heading into an uncontrolled strip in 'nowhereseville' knowing that there are 2 or 3 A/C just ahead of me yet 67 and the mf are silent!! Then out of the blue you get the standard calls...like someone is reading out of the AIP!

Just COMMUNICATE with each other!

G

twinpratts · Post by **twinpratts** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:31 pm

I sense most people (in AB at least) don't know you can request your WX on 122.5 from FSS, and don't need to tie up 126.7

GARRETT · Post by **GARRETT** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:38 pm

Who keeps saying "Corridor" in Sask.!?! It has to be designated as a "Corridor" on the charts to really be a "Corridor".

aileron · Post by **aileron** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 1:48 pm

Bruce!!!

neverfail · Post by **neverfail** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:51 pm

Sammy???

4wheeldrive · Post by **4wheeldrive** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:03 pm

No I think that you can make-up random coridors between any two points, for example "the cairo-patuanak coridor" the "beijing- LaRonge Coridor" all that fun stuff.

THis40 · Post by **THis40** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:58 pm

ABC is 20 miles back from Tim-buck-two, Landing in 5 mins.

BACK= what.
back from the south, north, east, west. what is it?

ABC is 20 miles to the North of Tim-buck-two, landing in 5 mins.
Does'nt take any more time to say. And now I and everyone else has a clue where you are.