Training in US registered A/C

[aero220]

Just wondering if anyone knows if a student pilot can train in a US registered aircraft towards a Canadian license?

Also, wondering if the US has any rule similar to Canada's rule where a high time multi pilot can train others towards a multi rating, without an instructor rating.

Last question to pick all your brains, can a student do some of their training towards a private license in a multi-engined aircraft?

[Grey_Wolf]

No
When I was instructing, student brought over a Piper Archer (PA-28-180) from the USA, had to get a canadian letters/register it with TC before flight training commenced

Yes
CAR 425.21 (5)Multi AND (9)Group 1 IFR

No
Finish the PPL, then do your multi once you have experience! One must hold a license before a rating can be added.

Scenario ... Let's assume that at 45 hours you finished your PPL, and let's say again that you got a Night rating in 15 hours, and then a Multi in 10-15. With a total time of 70-75, NO school or club would let you even near their twin ... thanks to your lack of experience noted by their insurance policies. For comparison, the school that I trained at, you needed more than 150 TT, 20 on their twin, plus a Check-Out by a Senior Instructor, a written 'exam' based on the twin's POH, and finally the CFI's written permission before you could rent it solo.

[aero220]

Ok, so looking over the regulations for Canada and the US, in relation to the issuance of a canadian private licence, it looks like training can be done in a foreign registered aircraft because of CARS 421.26 (9) wich states;

(c) An applicant who does not hold a Private or higher pilot licence - Aeroplane issued by a contracting state may be credited foreign dual and solo aeroplane flight training time and aeroplane ground school time towards the knowledge and experience requirements for the issue of a Private Pilot Licence - Aeroplane, if the applicant provides certification from the holder of a Flight Instructor Rating - Aeroplane that all ground and flight training exercises have been satisfactorily reviewed.
(amended 2003/03/01; previous version)

The hours done in a US registered aircraft are logable due to their FAR regulation stating;

61.41 Flight training received from flight instructors not certificated by the FAA.

(a) A person may credit flight training toward the requirements of a pilot certificate or rating issued under this part, if that person received the training from:

(1) A flight instructor of an Armed Force in a program for training military pilots of either—

(i) The United States; or

(ii) A foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation.

(2) A flight instructor who is authorized to give such training by the licensing authority of a foreign contracting State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation, and the flight training is given outside the United States.

(b) A flight instructor described in paragraph (a) of this section is only authorized to give endorsements to show training given.

the only thing that the CARS say about a training aircraft is;

405.23 No person shall operate a training aircraft unless the aircraft meets the personnel licensing standards.

So, looking over this, although maybe loop-hole jumping, the time should be logable.


Getting back to the last question I asked in regards to private training in a mulit-aircraft, I could not find any regulation that states that training must be done in a single (other than flight test must be done in a single).

The reason I am asking about this is this scenario; Had a student who started a private licence, did all of the training required other than cross country and instrument training. He then bought a US registered multi-engine aircraft, and gave up on obtaining the private license, he just wanted to fly with other people in it. I trained him (as a current class 1 instructor) to do cross country planning and fly IFR, just so he would know what was going on, not planning on using the hours toward his private license. Now he is once again pursuing his private license, and we are wondering if the hours of IFR we did, would be logable, even though it was in a multi-engined aircraft.

And let me just say, "I know" it would be alot easier just to do 5 hours IFR in a 172, but I would like the ability to explain to him why the other hours are not logable. Thanks again for the help.

[Grey_Wolf]

Good find on the 421.26 (9) ... Guess that it shouldn't be an issue for TC as long as there's paperwork to confirm that training.

As for the 405.23, check out 425.23 which sends you to the 605 series (perticularly 605.14 onwards) on what "Aircraft Equipment Requirments" pending on what type of operation you'll be using the aircraft for (i.e. Day VFR, VFR OTT, Night VFR, IFR). At a quick glance, did not see aything that stood out for multi-engine aircraft. Best to consult TC for clarification.

The reason I am asking about this is this scenario; Had a student who started a private licence, did all of the training required other than cross country and instrument training. He then bought a US registered multi-engine aircraft, and gave up on obtaining the private license, he just wanted to fly with other people in it. I trained him (as a current class 1 instructor) to do cross country planning and fly IFR, just so he would know what was going on, not planning on using the hours toward his private license. Now he is once again pursuing his private license, and we are wondering if the hours of IFR we did, would be logable, even though it was in a multi-engined aircraft.

And let me just say, "I know" it would be alot easier just to do 5 hours IFR in a 172, but I would like the ability to explain to him why the other hours are not logable. Thanks again for the help.

Flying passengers around in a twin on a student pilot permit
Logging those hours would be up to TC, once again, best advice is to give them a call.