hi guys i really need some help plzz .
this my situation i strated my flying lessons a year a go i had a round 35 hours when i decided to change school so i had to strat all over again pretty much ,now am at 95 hours and am still working on my ppl ,just the fact to ask pepole how long it took them to get their ppl the average it s 70 or so ,to be honest withe you guys am really feelling bad .
i d ont know if am stupid or somthing wrong withe me am not sure what to do ,now am working on my diverting to an alternate destination and cross contrys , and i had couple bad days last couple of flight my instructor told my all that it s because am trying to rush things up and i need to take some time off plzzz folks helpp me withe some advices plzzz and if you know some cases similar to mine tel my about it .
thank s

Switching instructors will add to your time.

Switching schools, probably even more so.

What is making it worse right now is that
many instructors are very inexperienced,
and as a result are not very efficient.

At the risk of enraging the class 4's here,
ask for a class 2 or class 1 instructor to
speed things up for you.

I remember, years ago, a student was
going around and around the circuit with
a new class 4 instructor, who was just
learning to instruct. Unfortunately the
student wasn't able to teach himself
how to land.

After one hour with an experienced
instructor, he was sent solo.

See what I mean? If you're going
to hire a doctor or a lawyer or a
plumber or a carpenter or electrician,
do you want one with no experience?

Well don't beat youself up, and NEVER give up! Your hours would be less if you didn't switch schools, and if you hadn't stretched your 95 hours over the one year anyways. Hedley makes a good point, nothing can substitute for experience, so an experienced instructor can really shorten the training process, so that's something to consider. How often are you flying? If you're flying consistently over the week that will help the training process as others have mentioned on this forum, which may or may not be possible because of your location. Be sure to know what you are doing for each upcoming lesson, and go into the flight prepared; know your stuff ice cold, and inside out, so you make the most out of your lessons and your $$$. After each flight, review what you did, and be sure to ask lots of questions.

Cheers,
Ed

One of the fundamental problems naive instructors have is not recognising when a student is having a problem.
I have lost count of the number of times a student was having difficulty getting to the solo stage... 20 hours or more of training... I get into the aeroplane and the first thing I notice is the student is sitting too low!
Even some tall students have short bodies and need cushions.
Prop them up with a cushion, now they see, and they can land the aeroplane!

From a student standpoint... You should be flying as much as possible when you are NOT IN THE AEROPLANE!
This means , dream the flight, rehearse the procedures... It's like acting... Know your lines, imagine the moves and then when you are in the aeroplane things happen more easily.

I am under pressure to put out the same blurb as all the schools here, the PPL to TC minimums cost.
I won't do it!
I've sold flying to people without telling porkie pies, honesty works best.
People recognise the same blurb...

This is my take on the cost of the PPL:

• PPL; Transport Canada requirements
 Medical Category 1 or 3 (Doctor list)
 45 hours Minimum
 17 hours dual
 12 hours solo
 40 hours ground school
• Reality
 More than 70 hours is the Canadian average for PPL completion.
• Sea Land Air Flight Centre
 If more than 60 hours taken for PPL course we look at ourselves critically!
• The learning process
 The importance of home study.
 We learn to fly on the ground and practice it in the air.
 The three week PPL vs taking 6 months.
• In two days you forget 30% of what you learned.
• In one month you forget 60% of what you learned.
• A review in 7 days and again in 28 days enables you to retain nearly 90% of what you learned.
• Ground school
 Continuous rotation through lessons.
 $350 for course and able to attend again and again until PPL completed.
 Some ground school time from pre flight briefing.
• Flight school
 May be done at the same time as ground school
 Pre solo air regulations exam: PSTAR
• Study guide through http://www.tc.gc.ca TP 11919
• All exam questions plus references above
 Solo at around 15 hours
 Cross Country Flying
• Solo 150NM Cross Country requirement.
 Transport Canada PPAER written Exam $105.
 Final polishing up
 Flight Test [~$200 examiner fee]
 PPL issue fee $55
• Summary of costs based on 60 hours, 45 Dual, 15 solo:
45 hours dual 15 hours solo Ground School Books etc (est’d) Total
Diamond Katana $7,100 + taxes $1,650 + taxes $350 $300 $9,700 + taxes
Diamond Eclipse $8,350 + taxes $2,100 + taxes $350 $300 $11,400 + taxes
 The above numbers reflect an average cost and are there for guidance only.
 It is important for CPL students to keep their receipts for tax claim later when on the professional pilot course.

when I was a PPL student i switched schools, had to wait for my age to meet 17 so that I could get my license, so after my training was done, i just did xc's, upper airwork and trips with my instructor man .. got my PPL at 105 hours, I did start flying since I was 15 though...

Don't feel stupid, I can't tell you of how many airline guys who're flying right now that got their private in the hundreds. A friend of my is a Capt for ACA flies the 320's out of YYZ and he got his private at 160 hrs... lol, that's a bit of a longer version but there's so much for being worried about 90.

Everybody will hit that 'learning curve decay' sooner or later, maybe that's what you're going through right now. Don't worry about it too much, if you have your Permit, go solo, practice some stuff, and then continue

Maybe it's time to study for the written if you haven't already done it? that'll boost your knowledge base to a much favorable level - it'll make flying more fun and enjoyable; plus, you understand more -> Thus, u = more confident.

Don't give up kid.. we all had our ups and downs in aviation, but its just a phase that you will get through.

Like most of the guys here said, ask yourself what are you lacking experience in, what is stopping you from taking the next step, whether its written test, flight test, cross countries or etc.... You need to focus on what you are doing if this is what you want to be.

Try an experienced instructor for a bit, see how you get along with them. Ask them questions you have doubt about, let them show you how things are done if you are unsure about anything. Then go out solo and do it. You already hit your 95 hour mark, so you should be good to write your written and flight test. Get them off your shoulders they will ease things up if you haven't already...

Once that is done Next step is time building, you will have no problems with that as long as you can locate yourself on the map with good airman ship.

All the best luck to you, don't give up. Just look up at the sky whenever you see an airplane...you know deep inside that you can be that person behind the controls.

Your not dumb. I finished with 110 hours took me 2 schools and countless instructors as well as 3 years. I suggest you look in your log book, if there is more than 4 or 5 days between flights, dont take time off, fly more. If you are over 3 days you will be spending more time reviewing your past lesson than the lesson you should be concentrating on. The instructor you have at your new school should be able to transition you over in 1 flight. This flight is to gauge where you are at and where you need to be. With diversions and cross country left you should be near flight test stage. Diversions can be done in 1 or possible 2 flights combined with some of your instrument time. Then your dual x country, solo x country prep for flight test. If your written is not complete get it done. Make sure that for every flight you have pre planned how it will go in your head, your instructor should have given you some idea in the preparatory ground briefing prior to. Don't give up, enjoy the training, what others have done, and will do, should not matter, your training is yours to complete at your own pace and time. The only thing that matters is that you complete it to your satisfaction. You may want to find an experienced instructor, you may like the one you have, thats up to you to decide. You have nearly completed the private level, after that is where all the fun begins.

Enjoy the trip,

Apache

I just looked back at my log book, took me 100 hrs for my PPL, and I was partly in the same situation, I started, then quit for a couple years before getting back into it, so I had to relearn everything over again. I think it's important to mention that it's not just the experience of the instructor that matters but also the instructor-student chemistry, if you're not getting along with your instructor well enough, or maybe he doesn't trust you to make your own decisions or fix your own mistakes. If you try a different instructor, one that you bond well with at the flight school other than the one that teaches you normally, that might help as well. Remember, it's not about being perfect, it's about passing the test, you'll learn to be perfect in the hours following the license issue.

I'm a flight instructor now, and my philosophy to teaching students is to give them as much information as possible about anything that's relevent to the flight at hand, even if it's more than they can handle (I know that sounds bad - can't think of a better way to say it) right from the get go, knowing that they won't retain it all, but that if I do it every time they will gradually pick up on it more and more, and by the end I won't even have to tell them. It's all about trusting the students with as much knowledge as possible and counting on them to slowly absorb it through subsequent flights and repetitions. So far I've been able to finish students from 0 hrs to PPL anywhere between 45 and 55 hrs. Students started by other instructors that I take over seem to take a little longer, but that's the nature of the switch, and since that's your case I wouldn't worry and take the advice of these other pilots, it's all good stuff.

Hi there,

First of all, to make things clear, I am NOT in posession of any flight license, so my advice here will not be related to what you do wrong in flying, more or less, about the mental stress and pressure that might influence you in your training "progression-wise", if I may put it that way.

I'll try to help out here, by sharing a personal story. I think this is the best way to show you that I may, or may not understand you. So here goes:

Back when I was in high school, I was about 15-16, the age is not what matters here. At 15, legally, you're allowed to work, thus, I got my first job. I was going to school full-time, and working 35 hours a week in a fast-food restraunt, pretty rough, yet somehow I thought that I would be able to do it.

So I continued this way for some time, until at some point, I was not able to manage school and work together, they're just not made for it when they're both full time. So, I had to set my priorities, re-establish my confidence, due to the fact that my scholastic performance had drastically gone down, not because I was stupid, or amazingly idiotic, yet I just didn't manage my time right, which of course resulted in a HUGE, and might I add, HUGE amount of stress over me, which not only a 16 year old kid should not have, but any human being shouldn't as well...

This kind of stress comes in and blocks your brain somehow, the school nurse explained it to me, yet I don't remember much out of it. It may also be chronic fatigue, yet I won't diagnose anything. If you're having difficulty completing your PPL, I suggest that you do listen to your instructor. Try to take a five days off, escape from reality, rent a lodge somewhere near a lost lake, stay in nature, get away from the city, that can hugely help with stress management. I also think that you might be stressed because you want to do too well. Although I haven't had any flight instruction, I know that when learning a subject, or new material be it applied or theoretic, questions are key. If you're shy or too proud to ask questions, then too bad for you! Smart people speak up and ask when they think something is wrong with them, or when they notice that they're skidding off that road that we call "understanding".....SPEAK UP, it's imperative that you do so!

Now, when I was stressed, a teacher suggested that I meet with the school psychologist to discuss my tiredness, my whole chronic fatigue, lack of concentration and constant stressed attitude. I met him, we talked about stress, made out a schedule to respect, and eversince then, my stress level has gone drastically low. Take note that being stressed, and I am not intending to stress you even more, yet stressing too much can make your health deteriorate, so I suggest you go out, do a sport, beat the stress out of you. Back to my story, due to the fact that I never was one of those popular kids in school, was always the type of kid that would hang out on the 3rd floor, eating with the math teacher while solving math problems, so then I could actually get to work 35 hours a week and make a rotten salary (7,60/h at that time). Mainly, to get to the point, I was taking bites bigger than I should have out of life. Meaning that I was uselessly rushing myself.

I had the same situation in Cegep, where I wanted to take more classes, take bigger gulps out of the material, get more credits. Again the academic advisor told me to take it slow, do things right. Because it is only when you rush that you actually screw things up.

What I think that you should do here my friend, is that you sit down, and write everything down. Take a piece of paper, and put all your thoughts on to it. Then, carefully enumerate a priority list, making sure that you make those choices carefully. According to that priority list, you should have 12 hours per day out of 24 to respond to those priorities, thus keeping 8 hours for your healthy sleep (very important might I add), and of course the 4 remaining hours are to be contributed to your daily transportation, food, and a bit of leisure.

Once you'll have organized yourself, set your priorities, you'll feel a lot more set on your goals. Try the same system that we humans use with dogs. Reward yourself for Christ's sake! After you've respected all that you've had to do in your day, you may even end up with extra time on your hands. Now, I don't want to write a book on how to organize your time or set your goals in life, I am far from having lived even the first half of my life (hopefully ), yet I really hope that your situation works out.

If there is anything else I could do for you, any kind of advice, please feel free to PM me.

My two cents...

You've been stretching things out a bit too much. Spending a year to get your private will take you more hours typically then if you were flying more regularly. I guessing you are maybe doing a flight every week or two. Start going several times a week. You'll accelerate your progression.

atlasblue wrote:hi guys i really need some help plzz .
this my situation i strated my flying lessons a year a go i had a round 35 hours when i decided to change school so i had to strat all over again pretty much ,now am at 95 hours and am still working on my ppl ,just the fact to ask pepole how long it took them to get their ppl the average it s 70 or so ,to be honest withe you guys am really feelling bad .
i d ont know if am stupid or somthing wrong withe me am not sure what to do ,now am working on my diverting to an alternate destination and cross contrys , and i had couple bad days last couple of flight my instructor told my all that it s because am trying to rush things up and i need to take some time off plzzz folks helpp me withe some advices plzzz and if you know some cases similar to mine tel my about it .
thank s

OK, lets start by saying the learning takes time. Everyone is different. I had some ace students and some slower learning types (like me). Just because you don't pick it up right away doesn't mean you can't . Sometimes when it takes a long time to sink in, it stays there better. Maybe you drink to much coffee? Try chilling out a little in the evenings, study for an hour, then top it off with a stiff shot of "Lagavulin" If your present instructor doesn't seem like a drooling idiot, stick with him and ask all the "dumb" questions you like. It's his job to either answer them or tell you to "look it up". My highest time ppl qraduate had over 200 hrs and was 63. I was probably his tenth instructor and him and I got along. Maybe that's why he finally got the ticket?

Try not to get too hung up on minimums and averages. Theses are for ideal situations and if you deviate from those at all, ie. change instructors, schools, fly 1-2 times per week your numbers will increase.

In my situation my training was part time. It took two years to get my PPL flying 2-3 times per week, if the weather cooperated. I was also plagued with extended absenses due to a seperated shoulder, tendenitis and a stage 3 ankle sprain (all independent injuries unrelated to flying). It took over 100 hrs to complete my PPL but the number of hours didn't bother me as the hours contributed to the TT required for the CPL. I'm now weeks away from completing my CPL flight test. Still training part time only flying 2 days per week. I feel bad about how long the entire process has taken but given my situation i don't see how i could have done anything differently and i've learned a lot from all my experiences.

In the end, you will complete your PPL. Having the license enables you to do so much more. The time it takes you to get there will be a moot point. Getting there is a huge accomplishment that should be your focus. Don't stress yourself out by trying to expedite the process in the long run that will work against you. Concentrate on improving each flight. You'll be done before you know it.

You've been stretching things out a bit too much. Spending a year to get your private will take you more hours typically then if you were flying more regularly. I guessing you are maybe doing a flight every week or two. Start going several times a week. You'll accelerate your progression.

Altiplano makes a good point! If it is financially viable, then try to make more trips to airfield. You'll learn much faster then random trips.

Take as much time as needed. Remember that these hours will count towards your commercial.

atlasblue wrote:hi guys i really need some help plzz .
this my situation i strated my flying lessons a year a go i had a round 35 hours when i decided to change school so i had to strat all over again pretty much ,now am at 95 hours and am still working on my ppl ,just the fact to ask pepole how long it took them to get their ppl the average it s 70 or so ,to be honest withe you guys am really feelling bad .
i d ont know if am stupid or somthing wrong withe me am not sure what to do ,now am working on my diverting to an alternate destination and cross contrys , and i had couple bad days last couple of flight my instructor told my all that it s because am trying to rush things up and i need to take some time off plzzz folks helpp me withe some advices plzzz and if you know some cases similar to mine tel my about it .
thank s

Based on the quality of the grammer, spelling and syntax of this post I would say that it looks like you really do tend to rush things. Slow down, there is no prize for getting an exercise done in minimal time. Some PPL exercises do have a time limit, but they can easily be made without rushing.