Whoever took the engine please return it; joke's over

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:35 pm

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3838264/detail.html

FAA: Plane Engine May Be Sunk In Lake Michigan
Emergency Landing Made At Metro Airport

Federal Aviation Administration officials believe an engine that sheared off a plane early Thursday may be resting at the bottom of Lake Michigan.

"We've heard reports that it landed in Lake Michigan, but we don't know that for a fact," said Detroit Metropolitan Airport representative Barbara Hogan.

Kalitta Air flight 825 was en route to New York's JFK Airport after refueling in Chicago when the number one engine fell from the plane, Local 4 reported.

The plane's electronics warned of engine trouble just before midnight, the station reported.

Pilots were forced to make an emergency landing at Detroit Metropolitan Airport.

The FAA and police are searching from Lake Michigan to the Battle Creek area for the engine, the station reported. State police have no reports of where the engine fell.

"They are very big airplanes," said Hogan.

A representative from the FAA came to inspect the plane at Detroit Metropolitan Airport, according to Hogan. She said the National Transportation Safety Board was expected to further the investigation.

Three flight crew and two mechanics were onboard the 747-100 aircraft that was transporting merchandise from China to New York. No injuries were reported.

Kalitta Air executives were meeting Thursday to review the plane's maintenance records and determine what caused the engine to fall.

Kalitta Air, which is based at Willow Run Airport in Ypsilanti, began service in November 200 with three jets. Eight additional jets have since been added to the fleet.

The company is owned by local drag-racing legend Conrad Kalitta

golden hawk · Post by **golden hawk** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:44 pm

Yikes! Remember the AA DC-10 crash in Chicago in 1979............

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:32 pm

Is that an "incident" or an "accident"?

It's definitely a big OOPS!!!

-istp

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 3:36 pm

This is what happens when you attempt to fly old aircraft on a shoestring..

snowshoe · Post by **snowshoe** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:37 pm

Looks like a good candidate for the recycle bin. Failing that I guess it's old and worn enough to convert into heavy water bomber, at least as good as those old Hercs,B24s ,etc. that are molding away.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:09 pm

istp...from the cockpit, it would be an incident......from the driver's seat of the Buick it landed on, it would be an accident....glad to clear that one up. Next?

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:16 pm

Rebel,
Just where do you think you know so much about Kalitta's operation?

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:31 pm

boeingboy

Unlike you I always do my research before posting you should try it someday..You just might learn something..

... · Post by **...** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 10:17 pm

Rebel wrote:boeingboy

Unlike you I always do my research before posting you should try it someday..You just might learn something..

Yeah just like the time no one told me you had a lake in front of your beach house and I didn't bring swimming trunks for the weekend. I should have done my research.

festivus · Post by **festivus** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:51 am

Scrolling through the forum late at night, I thought to myself, what this thread really needs is a pic of some guys ass.

Thanks for making my dream a reality.

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:42 am

I am Birddog wrote:
Rebel wrote:boeingboy

Unlike you I always do my research before posting you should try it someday..You just might learn something..
Yeah just like the time no one told me you had a lake in front of your beach house and I didn't bring swimming trunks for the weekend. I should have done my research.

Ah birddog, we know that's your house on lake michigan!
That's a rather poor salvage operation you've put together. Is that what the FAA contracted you to do?

To be honest I don't think the engine will be worth that much once you find it, anyway.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:27 pm

I used to work wih a chief pilot who was an ex military 707 driver and he claimed engines on Boeing airplanes are designed to fall off. The AA DC-10 accident in Chicago in 1979 was a case where the engine was not designed to fall off and it tore fuel, electrical and hydraulic lines off when the engine AND pylon broke off. Then the leading edge slats retracted, the left wing stall avoidance was disabled and when the crew went through the engine out drill and reduced speed to the recommended speed, the left wing stalled. If severe vibration imperils the integrity of the powerplant, it will shake itself off to save the rest of the wing. In the early days of the 707, it was quite common to lose an engine. This all stemmed from the old Boeing 377 Stratocruiser which was notorious for shedding propellers and catching fire. Those big round engines were a maintenance nightmare and a failure was catestrophic. If the engine departed the airframe cleanly, so much the better. Just ask DC6 Driver about losing a big radial.

boeingboy · Post by **boeingboy** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:31 pm

The DC-10 engines are made to break away if needed. The accident in Chicago was the result of improper maintenance which damaged the actual attachment points for the pylon to wing fittings.

DC6driver · Post by **DC6driver** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:46 pm

I recall hearing something about an R2800 departing in flight, I dont know if it sheared right off or hung on by all the gear and cables. I cannot see it hanging on, that weight and drag. Bad day all around sheesh.

No, the worst we had was a failure .5 second after V1, back firing pulled the throttle out of my hand. Pretty much a non event, aborted the load in a field full of horses to the left of the runway rather than the subdivision off the end, Phase 1's, pre land, done.

Doc · Post by **Doc** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:02 pm

"Ah, center, we've just lost an engine, and need a quick one-eighty to go back to look for it."
Wasn't Connie Kalitta an ex-Nascar driver...or a team owner? If it's the same guy, he's owned an air frieght business for years!

Pindunder Jeep · Post by **Pindunder Jeep** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:46 pm

Connie Kalitta is ex-Nascar and yes he has been in the aviation business longer than most. To say what can you expect when you attempt to fly an old aircraft on a shoestring is not very accurate in my opinion.

Firstly, that statement describes the majority of aviation in Canada and second, Connie has been around for a long long time yet you do not see him in the media, which tells me he is doing just fine.

tower controller · Post by **tower controller** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:07 pm

Connie was a NHRA Driver, drag racing not Nascar and his son Scott is still racing.

Their aircraft use our airport alot, they don't seem to have as many maintenance problems as a lot of operators. I believe it was one of their aircraft used for the flying shots in the movie Air Force One.