CPL and multi PIC

[Davecameron77]

Coming up time to move on to CPL, and wondering in the eyes of an employer, is it worth it to do the CPL in a seminole/seneca for the multi-pic time, or is and aircraft this small not really acknowledged.

Dave

[Airspeed-Alive]

Twin time is twin time...

[altiplano]

save your money.

do your cpl as cheap as you can.

[E-Flyer]

If you have the option of renting the multi engine for solo (which doesn't go by normally in flight schools) then do your dual on single and get ur ME Rating and do all your cross countries in the multi. Multi PIC time is really what is valuable. It's not cheap, but if you so insist on doing so, and have the right, and rating to do it? then do it. But then again, will you really be getting a CPL Job where Multi Time will be an asset that counts for a twin turbine job for you right at the 200 hour mark? I really doubt it. I mean it's good build up time, but then again, the employer who looks at your resume may think "another kid with rich father who bought him a multi" or "another kid with rich father that paid for his cpl to be done in the multi." or you have the guy who doesn't care and says "what-ever."

Then I guess, in the eyes of which employer? 703/704 employers??? or your CFI who is thinking about hiring you versus a guy who had to work 12 hour shift to pay off his CPL as his instructor? I am not going against you just laying it out on how it might be viewed. I might totally be off - im no airline guy who's been around for 30 years, just have seen these kind of negativities happen bro.


Play your cards right.



Good Luck !

[dman119]

save your money cuz you're gonna need it after you get your CPL!

[Davecameron77]

I'm living off $600 a month and saving every penny for flying, working full time.

The thing is I look at this as an investment to my future, so like a stock or bond, which one will pay out the best in the end. I dont really care where I end up as long as I get to fly for a living and have food and a roof.

Guess its this drug that forces all our addictions to do bizzare things to keep our feet off the ground.

[altiplano]

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[C-GPFG]

I'd suggest doing the CPL cross-country in a twin.

[Wacko]

Take the time you were planning to fly in a twin and put it towards Night PIC time... you want to do something for your future... THAT is probably the hardest time to get towards your ATPL

[just curious]

I'm with Wacko on this one. Most people never ever have enough night PIC or for that matter PIC in an category for the ATPL. That would be a couple three years down the line for you. BUT... THESE particular missing hours take a major effort to accrue at that point, since you are now usually FO on a multi.

But multi PIC? if it isn't on the type you plan to be flying, an hour or 5 won't do much except deplete your bank account.

Tell you what, search through the employment section, and see, in the jobs that specify MPIC, how much they call for. If it calls for 100 mpic, you aren't going to be able to afford it. Most places want more, or to start you as an FO.

[Wacko]

I got one right for a change!

[Cat Driver]

I dont really care where I end up as long as I get to fly for a living and have food and a roof.

You won't be dissappointed then because that is about all you will be able to afford.

And that is why aviation is such a low paying vocation, to many pilots are willing to work for nothing just to fly.

[x-wind]

I wouldn't do it in a twin. No one is going to care about a little multi time. Do it as cheap as possible.

The best would be build your time on a tail wheel. Lots of companies have a 180/185 as the smallest plane in their fleet.

[just curious]

If you do find any spare money, and you are intending to go the co-pilot route as opposed to intructing, try very hard to accumulate 150 hours of PIC, with at least 25 hours of that night X/C. Later, then you hope to go captain, if the company or type requires an ATPL,then you can be enrolled in the PIC US program in your company, which has you doing the captain's duties (drinking coffee, pontificating, arguing with dispatch...) from the left seat for 200 hours. This will make up your PIC time for the ATPL.

[Davecameron77]

Thanks for all the great replys, goes to show I have a lot more reading planning to do.

Just curious, that remark about the captains duties will have me in stiches for the better part of the day.

[just curious]

Enjoy your stiches, I got a snot-gram PM from some crusty old captain who spilled his coffeee when he was reading it.

[square]

You make 600 dollars a month. One lesson in a twin is about 600 dollars. Do your CPL on the cheapest 152 you can find, a 200hr pilot is a 200hr pilot. You won't need your multi rating for likely a while after you get your CPL, and it should be spent doing your multi-IFR rating, which will be about 35-40 hours multi.

Or another popular option is to get your CPL written & flight test done around the 160 hour mark and then do your multi-IFR for your remaining time until your 200 hour mark. Makes sense because you end up renting 40 hours less of single-engine time, and you get out of training with all the ratings you'll need.