AC missed high speed at YVR today

[Davecameron77]

Anybody know anything about an AC aircraft missing one of the high speeds on the north runway today. I'm told nosewheel in the mud and had to be towed out, and a divet that makes my golf game look good.

I always find this sort of news interesting, but feel sorry for the driver, he will probably be seeing some hot water.

[The Raven]

I don't know anything about it, but saw this quote on airliners.net:

"The 777 seems to have lost steering control trying to turn off M5 to Mike. It went off the taxiway,5-6 feet into the grass. All the pax were bussed out on YVR parking lot shuttle busses to the terminal. The AC crew unloaded all the cargo and baggage right on the taxiway. Maintenance crew move the tow bar attachment from the front of the nose gear, to the back of the nose gear. A big low tug got under the fuselage and behind the nose and pulled her out. They then reattached the tow bar attachment back to the front and towed her to the North hanger. AC and YVR airport crew sure had the situation under control."

[pilotbzh]

bad time to loose steering....

[The Raven]

feel sorry for the driver, he will probably be seeing some hot water.

Hi Dave,

I doubt the driver "will probably be seeing some hot water". He will have to explain what happened and if necessary, he will be given some extra training in the simulator and then out on the line. Because Air Canada hasn't had the 777 for very long, they will be reviewing their SOP's to determine if this is a problem that may happen again to someone else. If so, adjustments and ammendments will be made.

Anyway, it was a pretty minor event. I mean its not like he went screaming off the end of a runway.

[Lever]

feel sorry for the driver, he will probably be seeing some hot water.

Anyway, it was a pretty minor event. I mean its not like he went screaming off the end of a runway like another airline I know.

Bit of a low blow Raven. Didn't know that there was a competition.

[The Raven]

Is that better?

[KAG]

If either carrier were "screaming off the end of the runway" there would have been bent metal and carnage.

Glad no one was hurt. Hope the media doesn't blow it out of proportion.

[Davecameron77]

Hey sorry don't claim to be a commercial pilot, but I would have thought there would be some sort of investigation, not the kind of thing I would want on my file if I was driving that thing, just unwanted attention.

[Kosiw]

When ever there is an incident with an Air Canada flight or crew or what ever,and it gets posted on this forum, I have noticed that those AC employees who regularly post on this website, all of a sudden become very quiet....am I missing something here

[Davecameron77]

Dude I'm not going to name names but you are just asking for a certain someone to tell you 300 things wrong with what you just wrote.

[Pratt]

When ever there is an incident with an Air Canada flight or crew or what ever,and it gets posted on this forum, I have noticed that those AC employees who regularly post on this website, all of a sudden become very quiet....am I missing something here

Well you see..................when these types of things happen, whether it is AC or not, there are alot of posters here who choose not to jump on the bandwagon with alot of other posters who become instant armchair quarterbacks who have to throw in their 2 cents worth of speculation on the matter regardless of whether they actually have any knowledge of the facts of the incident.

[tonysoprano]

When ever there is an incident with an Air Canada flight or crew or what ever,and it gets posted on this forum, I have noticed that those AC employees who regularly post on this website, all of a sudden become very quiet....am I missing something here

Ya. You're missing something alright. First of all it's clear that with the exception of a few of us dudds, there aren't many AC'ers on this forum to begin with. Not many who get involved in the rubbish anyway. I think that tells you something about our folk and this forum. Second of all, unlike other types around here, we don't like the arm chair stuff when the incident has little impact on our company. Dave just loves stirring it I think. Most pilots at AC won't care much about this one. It's a big place here.

[express]

Taxied by twice. Looks like a slightly too big turn gone wrong by about 2 feet. No big deal. Feel sorry for the guys. Sh*t happens, but really not a big deal. Too many inexperienced, pompous, self admiring, egotistical armchair quarterbacks when anything happens with us at WJ or my bro's at AC.

[Jaques Strappe]

When ever there is an incident with an Air Canada flight or crew or what ever,and it gets posted on this forum, I have noticed that those AC employees who regularly post on this website, all of a sudden become very quiet....am I missing something here

Hey Kosiw

No, your not missing anything really. We are all guilty to a certain degree of doing the armchair quarterback thing. I mean, we all have opinions. I think you will find that most try to refrain from posting any comments because we do realize that whatever we say, is purely speculation on our part, nothing more.

Typically, when something happens at your own company, the natural reaction is to circle the wagons and protect your colleagues. Say nothing and try not to speculate. I believe that to be true, no matter who you work for but unfortunately, in some cases, the loyalty stops within the company when in fact it should be industry wide.

That of course, is pure speculation and just my opinion.

[express]

When ever there is an incident with an Air Canada flight or crew or what ever,and it gets posted on this forum, I have noticed that those AC employees who regularly post on this website, all of a sudden become very quiet....am I missing something here

Hey Kosiw

No, your not missing anything really. We are all guilty to a certain degree of doing the armchair quarterback thing. I mean, we all have opinions. I think you will find that most try to refrain from posting any comments because we do realize that whatever we say, is purely speculation on our part, nothing more.

Typically, when something happens at your own company, the natural reaction is to circle the wagons and protect your colleagues. Say nothing and try not to speculate. I believe that to be true, no matter who you work for but unfortunately, in some cases, the loyalty stops within the company when in fact it should be industry wide.

That of course, is pure speculation and just my opinion.

I totally agree. "should be industry wide" ....EXACTLY. Cheers.

[Squid]

feel sorry for the driver, he will probably be seeing some hot water.

Anyway, it was a pretty minor event. I mean its not like he went screaming off the end of a runway like another airline I know.

Bit of a low blow Raven. Didn't know that there was a competition.

I think he was referring to the Air Canada RJ that went screaming off the runway in Fredricton.

[tonysoprano]

Squid.
Are you still at AC? Thought you'd be long gone by now.

[Davecameron77]

Dave just loves stirring it I think.

I'm sorry, I just have an interest in this sort of thing and real responses from people that actually drive them. If this was another carrier it would be in a different forum. I just figured you guys here things within company and have better information, I.E. actual facts.

[tonysoprano]

Dave. Actual facts only come after the investigation. Notice how the final official reports are never discussed here? Only the armchair stuff. Nothing wrong with curiosity but a certain post about AC baggage handlers on another forum baught you a reputation so you'll have to excuse some people if they seem a little scepticle of you intentions. And, sorry but if you get excited over other people's mistakes, you have some problems to deal with.

[Davecameron77]

Tony everything you said is correct. I was actually trying to be diplomatic here, and have a post without the AC-VS westjet cheapshots that seems to plague 3-5 posts on these forums.

[tonysoprano]

Actually with the exception of one or two posters on both sides, you'll find the red/teal relationship civilized enough. Nothing wrong with being curious. Just be aware that these things tend to easily get very sensitive around here. In this case it sounds like either skipper wasn't paying attention or maybe the steering wasn't working properly. Many of the skippers are still training on this machine. If he was, he just extended his line indoc. Who knows? No big deal...

[twinpratts]

Let it go, guys... nothing on TV tonight?

[tonysoprano]

Gee twin, that was really called for.

[KAG]

Nothing wrong with curiosity but a certain post about AC baggage handlers on another forum baught you a reputation so you'll have to excuse some people if they seem a little scepticle of you intentions.

Common Tony, you have to admit, the AC baggage handlers, while I'm sure are good people, have a pretty piss poor work ethic.

It is a funny video after all.

Sorry, back to the topic at hand...

[tonysoprano]

I totally agree KAG, they do have bad ethics. But I think there was a bigger picture that Dave was trying to portray, especially since he was also doing a comparison. Things are not always as innocent as they appear. We have all seen baggage handlers all over the world do the same and please don't try telling me the WJ guys are any different. As for the video, I don't think it revealed anything most of us don't already know. Let's go find something else to bitch about, this is getting lame.