You have to love Canada

[Chuck Ellsworth]

It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.00 and each can also get an additional $580.00 in social assistance for a total of $2,470.00.

This compares very well to a single pensioner who after contributing to the growth and development of Canada for 40 to 50 years only receives a monthly maximum of $1,012.00 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement.

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees!

[Grey_Wolf]

Some FO's don't even make that in a month !!!

[bob sacamano]

So as a single pilot MIFR in a chieftain, I used to make less than a refugee.

Yes I love it.

With that kind of money, a refugee could buy a bike, wear their turban, and then not wear the helmet and sue the system.

[Gipper]

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informatio ... -faq11.asp

Frequently asked questions:

The refugee system

Financial support for government-assisted refugees

A widely circulated email alleges that government-assisted refugees receive much more income support and benefits than Canadian pensioners. Is this accurate?

Refugees do not receive more financial assistance from the federal government than Canadian pensioners. The email message mistakenly includes the one-time start-up payment as part of the monthly payment. The amount of monthly financial support provided to government-assisted refugees is based on provincial social assistance rates, and it provides the minimum amount required to cover only the most basic food and shelter needs.

Many refugees selected for resettlement to Canada have been forced to flee their country because of extreme hardship. Some may have been living in refugee camps for many years. When they arrive in Canada, they must start their lives again in a country very different from their own.

In keeping with Canada’s proud humanitarian traditions, individuals and families are provided with immediate and essential services and support to help them become established in Canada.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

In keeping with Canada’s proud humanitarian traditions, individuals and families are provided with immediate and essential services and support to help them become established in Canada.

While paying peanuts to those who were born here and worked their whole life paying high taxes to build the country.

Lovely country isn't it?

And don't forget those Canadians who work outside of Canada as pilots and pay their Canadian taxes only to be screwed over by this lovely system because they have problems getting a pass to get on the airports.

Yet the same person could show up with AIDS and claim refugee status and presto no problem welcome to Canada and here is your money.

[Gipper]

While paying peanuts to those who were born here and worked their whole life paying high taxes to build the country.

Lovely country isn't it?

Well, I suppose we could either refuse refugees or else allow them in and then give them no money or support. Personally I think the best thing for society is to let them in and give them some limited support. Enough to get them going but not enough to create dependency. This appears to be what the government is doing. It would also be nice if they sped up refugee reviews, both in fairness to refugee claimants and the taxpayers.

[wabano]

I dont see the point there...I worked 15 years in the States,
the only problem is that I have to write my IFR again...

Remember that in the USA, nobody will hire you if you are above 45 years old,
so I had no choice but to come back.

However, the government job service only find jobs for immigrants...
No, they would NOT give me immigrant status!!!

I tried to use them once to hire a helper and they only sent totally useless
immigrants...not useless because they where immigrants, but because
some folks are born that way!

So, because of the unfair anti-Canadian bias of the Canadian Government,
THIS site give me great pleasure!!!
http://www.notcanada.com/


WELCOME TO CANADA...We need slave labor!!!

[...]

MPP's do 1 term of 4 years and get a pension for LIFE @ 60K a year.
They can even vote themselves a raise.

I WANNA JOB LIKE THAT!!!!

In Europe, the government fears it's people....in North America...the people fear the government.

The English from England take care of their old. The French from France....they take care of their old. It's a Phacking shame....a PHAKIN shame how we care for our old. A PHACKING SHAME!!!

The only thing keeping my here is there is no Canadian Rye overseas....they bring me scotch instead and scotch and ginger tastes like a$$.

notincanada.com I have found it for a very long time interesting that the Government opens its doors to educated people abroad without insuring with educational institutions to fascilitate the 'conversion' of these professionals licences after a crash course on legal aspects of their trade. "Ooops sorry nothing we can do for you...take a night school computer course...OR I hear taxi cabs companies are looking for drivers."

[SkyWolfe]

Its a shame how people can come from other countries, take away OUR education, then flee home to their country... or worse, stay and take OUR jobs....

Proud to be Canadian... were im last on the list for almost everything. Were being a Canadian is wrong.

[...]

Its a shame how people can come from other countries, take away OUR education, then flee home to their country... or worse, stay and take OUR jobs....

Proud to be Canadian... were im last on the list for almost everything. Were being a Canadian is wrong.

hmmm....how can I put this without sounding like an a$$hole to you. Because thats not what I am trying to imply.
There are jobs for Canadians in the county. There are fields to pluck stuff from....ther are jobs in the white pages to get. There is almost free education through Employment Bureau funding...to get better jobs.

However the jobs we as Canadian don't want to do...we have to hire from outside the country. Like plucking grapes OR owners of these businesses go broke. There are however very educated people living here that are NEW immegrants that are doing these types of jobs because they were brought here by government because of specific (non-labour) skills. Skills that a majority of Canadians do not possess NOR are eager to learn some trades. All of a sudden, with this new Harper government these programs are forgotten before they are implimented...before their licences from back home are converted to ours and now they are left here wondering WTF. Next time you take a cab, and he/she is not a WASP...ask this person where they came from...I have met 2 University Professors that are very talented in their avant-gard manner of thinking regarding various topics in life....

Anyway...there is more to people than just their accent OR the colour of their skin.

[SkyWolfe]

Birddog - I understand your point 100% as well...

I just remember... Even in FTU's (well at CZBB at least) many are eager to cater to the foriegn student long before the local student... Because the foreign students are on contract.

I also remember there being a TON of "satellite kids" here... clogging our classrooms to 31-35 students - then going into university and leaving the local talent behind... Anyway, that was just my personal high school/university experiance (when I was trying to go to university).

I also remember not getting any kind of financial help because I am white... Even though half the international students come from insanely wealthy families. Like I said, this is a personal YVR experiance, there may be others, and I am doing my best not to sound racist... I just haven't found a whole lot of help being a white canadian born citizen of middle class standing...

I don't mind helping others in need, this is a great place to come... It does seem though... I am not respected... by them or my country... Oh well... Maybe it's just me.

[...]

you it's not just you...I think everything sucks...as long as there are idiot running the show and greed alive and well...everything sucks....however for me life gets better everyday. Everyday is better than the last.

Keep positive...you're not the only one having to work twice as hard as the next person...however...our path is not one everyone else can take. Only the over weight prefer the easy way and walk downhill while you and I thrive to run uphill because you can't have a spectacular view of the world from the bottom of the hill...can ya?

[Chuck Ellsworth]

The being white thing in Canada is true....the politicians cater to anyone but a white because they are only interested in votes..

I choose to be white because I don't want handouts, however in that I am part North American Indian and part white I qualify as status Indian...but have to much personal pride to accept something the white side of my ancestors are not entitled to.

Canada is a racist state run by self serving politicians who by their very nature are self serving untrustworthy liars.

[Stoptheworld]

Frequently asked questions:

The refugee system

Financial support for government-assisted refugees

A widely circulated email alleges that government-assisted refugees receive much more income support and benefits than Canadian pensioners. Is this accurate?

Refugees do not receive more financial assistance from the federal government than Canadian pensioners. The email message mistakenly includes the one-time start-up payment as part of the monthly payment. The amount of monthly financial support provided to government-assisted refugees is based on provincial social assistance rates, and it provides the minimum amount required to cover only the most basic food and shelter needs.

Many refugees selected for resettlement to Canada have been forced to flee their country because of extreme hardship. Some may have been living in refugee camps for many years. When they arrive in Canada, they must start their lives again in a country very different from their own.

In keeping with Canada’s proud humanitarian traditions, individuals and families are provided with immediate and essential services and support to help them become established in Canada.

I can't really help but notice that they don't really do anything to explain what the amount is so I have to assume that the amount in the original post is correct. Of course, the cost of living is much higher for a refugee than for a pensioner or someone on EI.

Many refugees selected for resettlement to Canada have been forced to flee their country because of extreme hardship. Some may have been living in refugee camps for many years. When they arrive in Canada, they must start their lives again in a country very different from their own.

Maybe this should read: Many Canadians work hard to put food on their table, raise their children, try to better there lives just a little only to be pounced on by leaches to pay for a bloated civil service that only exists to serve itself and its experimentation in social engineering

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Stoptheworld.....

You can't talk like that to all these sociallly engineered Canadian sheep.

They will not believe you because they have been brain washed like cult members.....your tax dollar at work.

[scm]

I can't really help but notice that they don't really do anything to explain what the amount is so I have to assume that the amount in the original post is correct. Of course, the cost of living is much higher for a refugee than for a pensioner or someone on EI.

Refugees don’t receive more financial assistance from the federal government than Canadian pensioners.

A letter to the editor of a Canadian newspaper contained this incorrect information. In it, a one-time, start-up payment provided to some refugees in Canada was mistaken for an ongoing, monthly payment. Unfortunately, although the newspaper published a clarification, the misleading information had already spread widely over e-mail and the internet.

In truth, about three quarters of resettled refugees receive financial assistance from the federal government, for a limited time, and at levels lower than Canadian pensioners. They are known as government-assisted refugees.

We have to remember that many of these people have fled from unimaginable hardship, and have lived in refugee camps for several years. Others are victims of trauma or torture in their home countries. Many arrive with little more than a few personal belongings, if that. Canada has a long humanitarian tradition of accepting refugees and helping them start their new lives here.

For this reason, government-assisted refugees receive a one-time amount of up to $1,330 from the federal government to cover essentials — basic, start-up needs like food, furniture and clothing. They also receive a temporary monthly allowance for food and shelter that is based on provincial social assistance rates. In Ontario, for example, a single refugee would receive $710 per month. This assistance is temporary — lasting only for one year or until they can find a job, whichever comes first.

This short-term support for refugees is a far cry from the lifetime benefits for Canada’s seniors. The Old Age Security (OAS) program, for example, provides people who have lived in Canada for at least 10 years with a pension at age 65. The Guaranteed Income Supplement (GIS) is an additional monthly benefit for low-income pensioners. The Canada Pension Plan (CPP), or Quebec Pension Plan (QPP) for people in Quebec, pays a monthly retirement pension to people who have worked and contributed to the plan over their career. In October 2007, Canadian seniors received an average of $478.28 in OAS benefits and $481.46 in CPP retirement benefits ($393.84 in QPP). Lower income OAS recipients also qualified for an average of an additional $393.99 in GIS benefits. In Ontario, for example, a low-income pensioner would receive approximately $1,354 per month.

[Rowdy]

I know for a fact that there are a TON of jobs in the canadians northlands that need filling. New canadians/immigrants should be placed in these wonderful communities and left to thrive in the great country that is canada during a term in those parts. It sure would make sense.. other than having 40 EI's living in a single family home in surrey picking berries for 6 bucks an hour in the summer!! Only to sponsor another 8 member of the family to come and collect welfare and child services cheques.

Stop immigration and promote having children!!

[rex sterling]

Remember, we all came from somewhere. Being a first generation Canadian, I understand how hard it is to get ahead in this country. However, putting a stop to immigration is not the answer. Everything that I have ( and it is not a lot) has come to me through my hard work and perseverance. I learned that from my parents who are immigrants. Most of the immigrants, or children of immigrants, that I know are some of the hardest workers I have encountered. On the other hand, there are many people in this country whose families have been here for many generations that have a sense of entitlement that is embarrassing. I agree that anyone who chooses to make their way here should be willing to work to get ahead, but stopping immigration is a very closed minded way address the problem. Some of our country's greatest accomplishments have come through the hard work of people not born in this country, whether they are labourers or professionals. There are many professionals who come here and work crappy jobs that many Canadians find are beneath them. The world needs ditchdiggers as well as doctors, it should not be expected that the only ones doing the ditchdigging are those fresh of the boat!

[SkyWolfe]

But when did it become wrong for me to say merry christmas in my own country?

I don't mind immigrants. I mind when they tell me what I can do and say in my country. If I went to their country, Ide be shot for wearing a skirt, or ignored because I didn't speak the language... I just find many people are racist towards me. Infact - my boyfriends little brother is in High School. Where it is actually EMBARASSING to be WHITE. Infact, they /pick/ on the white kids. Many of them even say crap like "theres such a thing as a smart white girl?"

WTF is that? DOES ANYONE CARE TO EXPLAIN?

Sorry... I don't think I need to suffer for what idiot white people did in generations before me... where the F*ck is equality for me?

[rex sterling]

Skywolfe....the people at your boyfirends little bothers school just prove that assholes come in all shapes, sizes and colors! Coming from a different part of the country than you, we might see things from a different perspective. Most of the people I grew up with were of european ancestry, but they all seemed to appreciate hard work, and were not looking for handouts. And most importantly, would always wish you a Merry Christmas, as opposed to a happy holidays!

[xsbank]

The problem with Merry Christmas is that as we 'mature' as a society, we will likely evolve into an even more secular society (If its possible to be "more secular") and that means not only the withering away of M.C., but the end of Ramadan, Hannakah (sp - sorry) and all the other religion-based holidays. Deciding to accept immigrants also means accepting the end of a lot of our traditions as they change into a kind of common experience that has no basis in religion. The majority of us have abandoned western formal religions anyway, while clinging to the neat traditions that meant something to us - Christmas, Easter etc. Halloween is a good example of a festive celebration that is being embraced by all Canadians, even new ones. Candy is universal!

Get used to hearing "Happy Holidays!"

Birddog, are you ok? You are acting weird (more than usual) and I think you need to go lie down or take a hot bath.

[SkyWolfe]

Yeah, I personally would rather celebrate my holidays and let other people celebrate theres... I don't mind learning about other cultures and traditions. I think that sort of thing is very interesting. Why must we remove everything? And whats wrong with clinging to our traditions, even if they aren't based on their original purpose?

Maybe I am just up a creek without a paddle :/

BTW: I respect everyones opinion here and am not annoyed with anyone!

[Davecameron77]

This thread reminds me of that court decision that elementary school kid is allowed to wear a sword to school to comply with his religion. Sometimes things go way to far.

I remember in a criminology class a few years ago, there was a case where two guys got busted growing pot. They argued it was necessary for there religion and due to a precedent they actually won the case.

It goes way to far in both directions.

[trey kule]

Wolfie.

Speaking the truth does not make you a racist.

There are two approaches to keep this myth going. The first is to stroke our egos by stating how good Canaidans are, how we love multi culturalism, how liberal is our thinking.

The other strategy is to denormalize those that may just speak up and say it aint so. They are branded racists and the other sheep are encouraged to ignore or ban them from speaking. Works for all sorts of politically empowered minorities. And it keeps the focus off some that are really subversive.

Dont ever be afraid to speak the truth, for the fear to speak the truth is the first step in losing our freedoms.

So endth the sermon.

[niss]

Remember, we all came from somewhere. Being a first generation Canadian, I understand how hard it is to get ahead in this country. However, putting a stop to immigration is not the answer. Everything that I have ( and it is not a lot) has come to me through my hard work and perseverance. I learned that from my parents who are immigrants. Most of the immigrants, or children of immigrants, that I know are some of the hardest workers I have encountered. On the other hand, there are many people in this country whose families have been here for many generations that have a sense of entitlement that is embarrassing. I agree that anyone who chooses to make their way here should be willing to work to get ahead, but stopping immigration is a very closed minded way address the problem. Some of our country's greatest accomplishments have come through the hard work of people not born in this country, whether they are labourers or professionals. There are many professionals who come here and work crappy jobs that many Canadians find are beneath them. The world needs ditchdiggers as well as doctors, it should not be expected that the only ones doing the ditchdigging are those fresh of the boat!

+1

But when did it become wrong for me to say merry christmas in my own country?

Wolfie, part of the issue is that you share this country with lots of people who dont have the same traditions as you. While I am the child of Immigrants I was born here, this country is as much mine as it is yours, yet I may not appreciate a "Merry Christmas" the same as you would. Don't get me wrong Im not offended when I get the well wishes, but the "I cant say this in my country...." doesn't fly with me.

What if I got all the Canadian-by-birth people who were not WASP and tried to change the culture. It wouldnt be right, but it would be actual canadians trying to do things in their country.