CYYJ Rentals

[GIMD]

Any advice about aircraft rentals at CYYJ? I cannot decide between VFC and Pacific Sky.

Thanks

[Bruce Gorle]

Pacific Sky no membership, ask about their frequent flyer card, try out C-FCSP their newer S model.

[g5]

I enquired at Juan Air last year and they wanted me to do a mountain check-out. I was like, uhh,.. almost all of my time is mountain time.

All I wanted was to do a scenic flight over Victoria, I'm sure a couple of circuits would have sufficed.

Watch out for Mount Tolmie.

[B-rad]

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[Airtids]

I enquired at Juan Air last year and they wanted me to do a mountain check-out. I was like, uhh,.. almost all of my time is mountain time.

All I wanted was to do a scenic flight over Victoria, I'm sure a couple of circuits would have sufficed.

Watch out for Mount Tolmie.

No mountain check for a local flight required. Wanna go to Tofino or Pemberton or Calgary, then yes, mountain check required unless you've already done one, then it'll only be a regular check-out. 5,000hrs IFR in Mountainous regions 1&5 isn't mountain flying either, just in case you were wondering. A "mountain check" is instruction in the fine art of safely conducting operations at low level in the mountains when things go badly. It is incredibly valuable, life-saving instruction.

CSP is definitely the nicest 172 I've ever flown. MmmmmmmmmLeather!

[Bruce Gorle]

The other reason for the mountain check was to see how an individual plans and navigates. It was mandatory during my time at Juan Air for all but local flights as it gave my Instructors a valuable insight into how a new pilot conducted him/herself in those two areas. As Robin stated a mountain check was not required for local flights UNLESS an Instructor was uncomfotable with an individaul pilots skills. Remember the operator is the one that owns the $100,000 plus aircraft and does not want it turned into a ball of scrap aluminium.
Bruce Gorle

[Chuck Ellsworth]

5,000hrs IFR in Mountainous regions 1&5 isn't mountain flying either, just in case you were wondering. A "mountain check" is instruction in the fine art of safely conducting operations at low level in the mountains when things go badly. It is incredibly valuable, life-saving instruction.

Exactly.

[2R]

How many times have you gone into a mountain valley and had the altimeter indicate a climb and look out the window and see the mountains go up which would mean you are going down.As you get caught in a local outflow giving a venturi effect
increasing the wind to seventy knots driving you down towards the ground .Better think about what you would do now cause when/if it happens you will not have much time to think about it .I have lost four thouasand feet in less than a minute in the bow valley and was getting ready to land on the highway when i managed to get turned around and escape the wind .And that was on a nice day .Have you ever heard the stall horn at one hundred knots ???Just how important is manuevering speed anyway ??
Mountain flying is not for everyone

[g5]

5,000hrs IFR in Mountainous regions 1&5 isn't mountain flying either, just in case you were wondering.

I wasn't wondering because it seems like common sense to me, but you can't deny the value of "IFR" flying into Bella Coola when the ceilings down. Should you shoot an approach in Anahim and .. in, should you try to break out over the coast and come up through the valley, or maybe you should just go home and drink beer and order pizza. I understand the reasons for a mountain check, but I don't feel like it was necessary in my case.

Seems like a cash grab to me, but maybe I'm just being cheap and cynical.

[Coast-dog]

Maybe they didn't like your attitude g5, and wanted to cover their butts.

...a mountain check was not required for local flights UNLESS an Instructor was uncomfotable with an individaul pilots skills. Remember the operator is the one that owns the $100,000 plus aircraft and does not want it turned into a ball of scrap aluminium.
Bruce Gorle

[Airtids]

What I CAN say is this: Aircraft rental is the riskiest part of a business like this. There is very little control one can have over a flight once a renter departs. When I owned my own business, what I would tell folks who thought my checkout/currency requirements were too rigid was "Feel free to go out and buy your own airplane and rent it to the masses. Please get back to me with what your policies are and how it's working for you." It really was rare when we had anyone complain too much, as the policies are pretty common-sense.

As Bruce said, the concern is partly with ending up holding an unserviceable aircraft. That's only part of the story; Higher insurance premiums, harm to the reputation of the operation, revenue lost from being down one machine until replacement, etc. are the rest of the problem. Remember the old adage "Think safety is expensive? Try an accident!". These policies aren't a 'cash-grab', they're called Due Dilligence. I'd be more concerned renting from someone who DIDN'T have those kinds of policies as it would indicate either a level of ignorance about the possible pitfalls, or a lack of concern of the machine, in which case I would question what kind of shape it's truly in.