compass card

[tazin river]

Would anyone have a compass card already made up (Word, Excel) that I can get from you?

or where can I find one?

Cheers

BC - Yellowknife

[Hedley]

ACS&S p/n 10-01659 $0.55

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/i ... airkit.php

Not sure if it's FAA-PMA approved or not.

So, who's going to call Enforcement on me for using one
of these on a certified aircraft?

C'mon Snoopy, CID, time to get indignant and outraged.

[niss]

ACS&S p/n 10-01659 $0.55

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/i ... airkit.php

Not sure if it's FAA-PMA approved or not.

So, who's going to call Enforcement on me for using one
of these on a certified aircraft?

C'mon Snoopy, CID, time to get indignant and outraged.

You're Dangerous, Dangerous and Foolish!

[SeptRepair]

Like Hedley said, just spend 5 bucks get yourself 10 of them and your good to go. So here is a question regarding compass cards/swings. The requirment is must be done annually.. blah blah blah. So where is the exact reference in CARS stating the card must be signed and dated by a licensed AME and does it say anywhere that the information that is recorded on the compass card has to be entered into the Journey log book?

[ChallengerDan]

Standard 625 APPENDIX C - Out of Phase Tasks and Equipment Maintenance Requirements
10. Non-stabilized Magnetic Direction Indicators (MDIs)

(a) Except as provided in (b) and (c), non-stabilized magnetic direction indicators shall be calibrated, and a dated correction card installed for each indicator, at at intervals not exceeding 12 months;

Standard 625 APPENDIX A - ELEMENTARY WORK does not list a compass swing as elementary work... therefore requiring a maintenance release.

Persons Who May Sign a Maintenance Release

571.11 (1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (7), no person other than the holder of an aircraft maintenance engineer (AME) licence issued under Part IV, specifying a rating appropriate to the aeronautical product being maintained, shall sign a maintenance release as required by section 571.10.
(amended 2000/12/01; previous version)

(d) in the case of maintenance performed on an aircraft that is operated under a special certificate of airworthiness in the owner-maintenance classification, the person is a licensed pilot and an owner of the aircraft.
(amended 2002/03/01; no previous version)

Recording of Maintenance and Elementary Work

571.03 A person who performs maintenance or elementary work on an aeronautical product shall ensure that

(a) the details required by Chapter 571 of the Airworthiness Manual are entered in the technical record for the aeronautical product, in respect of the task performed; and



So... no the compass card does not require to be stamped by an AME, but it has to be performed by an AME... unless you operate under owner maintained CofA....So... get your money's worth by having him do the compass card, and write down the correction data in your log so that YOU can make a DATED card afterwards for any need that might arise... (lost, destroyed, illegible, faded, etc, etc.)

[mashowski]

Here is another reference that I found in one of the Tribunal decisions:
"The Airworthiness Manual specifies calibration requirements for magnetic direction indicators in section 571.215 in part as:
"(a) Except as provided in (b) and (c) the certificate of airworthiness of an aircraft shall cease to be in force unless each installed magnetic direction indicator has been calibrated within the previous twelve months and a dated correction card showing deviations has been installed adjacent to each indicator."

They should just call it a compass.
I air-swung the compass in one of the planes that I fly and it was within 2-3 degrees on all quadrants. When it came out of the annual it was 20-30 degrees out on all quadrants but it had a new correction card signed and dated by an AME! Needless to say, I was pretty disgusted.
A few annuals later and it is currently reading 30 to 40 degrees out, yet none of the other pilots that fly it have noticed or even bothered to care when I told them.
In case you are wondering, it is a taildragger so it was probably swung with the tail down, without running the engine, and no electrics or radio on.
Mash

[ChallengerDan]

Unfortunately, there is nothing in the CARs about incompetent AMEs....

[Hedley]

I air-swung the compass

... and that is the ONLY way you're going to get an accurate
compass swing. In the cruise attitude (not easy on the
ground in a taildragger), at cruise power (again, not easy
on the ground) and with the pilot's headset on.

Oops! The cat is out of the bag! Who here is going
to drop a dime to Enforcement on me for air-swing
vs ground-swing?

P.S. I thought I was Foolish, Foolish and Dangerous?

[niss]

P.S. I thought I was Foolish, Foolish and Dangerous?

Eitherway that makes you.........dangerous!

[Hedley]

Stop posting all the "Top Gun" pics! I keep
getting chubbies when I read this thread.

Honest to God, if you post some pics from
the volleyball or shower scenes ...

Yoohoo! Snoopy! CID! Where are you?

I'm really missing your daily character
assassination and repeated threats of turning
me into Enforcement for chickensh1t like
touching up paint:

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 27&t=43018

[SeptRepair]

Thanks for the the CARS blurbs. I already knew that stuff. But im going on hangar talk about if it "must" be recorded in the Journey Log, and if the correction card must be signed. I have been a drone most my life when it comes to putting a stamp in the journey log and recording compass corrections. Just recently i had to sign out the annual compass swing and never had a stamp. This made me wonder if i really must do it or if its just been a good practise all these years for the reasons Challengerdan said earlier. You all confirmed what I figured.

[CID]

Not sure if it's FAA-PMA approved or not.

Although there are guidlines for placards and labels, there is no requirement for any equipment approvals as suggested by Hedley for compass correction cards. You need to be careful about some things however like changing the location. They are often located in a specific area in order to be readable in all cockipt lighting conditions. Mainly with larger airplanes, you may be causing a non-conformity condition if you change the location of the compass correction card.

... and that is the ONLY way you're going to get an accurate
compass swing. In the cruise attitude (not easy on the
ground in a taildragger), at cruise power (again, not easy
on the ground) and with the pilot's headset on.

Perhaps you can share with us how exactly you determine what your actual magnetic heading is while you do your "air swing". I assume that since you didn't include any exceptions, this "air swing" procedure is acceptable for all types of aircraft?

I'm really missing your daily character
assassination and repeated threats of turning
me into Enforcement for chickensh1t like
touching up paint:

I don't recall ever threatening to turn you in to anyone. If you're going to troll at least try to factual.

So where is the exact reference in CARS stating the card must be signed and dated by a licensed AME and does it say anywhere that the information that is recorded on the compass card has to be entered into the Journey log book?

Many of the regulations and standards are written to provide the maintainer with guiding principals rather than exact inflexible procedures. Don't expect exact precise instructions regarding the paperwork for every maintenance task you perform. If there were, the CARS manuals would have to be 10 times the length.

[Cat Driver]

So now that we have a compass that was swung and has the proper corrections on the card how many pilots are there here who can fly the airplane accurately enough in turbulence with only the magnetic compass and hold the heading within a few degrees?

[niss]

So now that we have a compass that was swung and has the proper corrections on the card how many pilots are there here who can fly the airplane accurately enough in turbulence with only the magnetic compass and hold the heading within a few degrees?

What the hell is a compass?

[Hedley]

Perhaps you can share with us how exactly you determine what your actual magnetic heading is while you do your "air swing". I assume that since you didn't include any exceptions, this "air swing" procedure is acceptable for all types of aircraft?

Call Enforcement (again), and we can talk about it at the Tribunal.

[CID]

Call Enforcement (again), and we can talk about it at the Tribunal.

Hedley, as this is an anonymous forum, insisting that you retract that false statement doesn't mean much. However, if you think for one moment I called "enforcement" or anyone else for that matter regarding any topic I've discussed on AvCanada with ANYBODY, you're seriously mistaken.

I for one respect the spirit in which anonymous forums are formed. I don't care if anyone here identifies themselves or not. I treat all posts here as anonymous.

Once again, you're barking up the wrong tree. So now how about my question? "I don't know" is an acceptable answer too.

[Hedley]

CID, you know everything about everything. So, if
you don't know something, it simply isn't worth
knowing.

At least according to you.

I'm tired of your threats and bullying, CID. Put your
money where your mouth is, and call Enforcement
on me for an air-swing.

[tazin river]

Thanks guys

I walked over to Air Tindi and had one of the ame stamps the deviation table on a piece of paper and I'll have my mechanic signed it this evening...

Cheers

Tazin

[CID]

I'm tired of your threats and bullying, CID.

Threats? Bullying? Wow your trolling skills are improving.

Put your money where your mouth is, and call Enforcement
on me for an air-swing.

Now you've really lost it. I asked what I thought was a simple question. I guess not. When I call them should I use your full name: Hedley Lamarr?

[Hedley]

call Enforcement on me for an air-swing

[niss]

I think he wants you to call enforecement on him for an air swing.

[Cat Driver]

I love this phobia CID has with his being anonymous....

I bet there are some here who know CID's identity.

[CID]

I love this phobia CID has with his being anonymous....

I bet there are some here who know CID's identity.

Cat Driver, once again you have issues with comprehension. You missed the point of my posts. My "phobia" lies with liars or at very least people who write unsubstantiated falsehoods.

Cat Driver, you are a perpetual stain on this forum in that regard. You're that little piece of excrement that people step through on an otherwise perfect lawn.

You would think that someone of your advanced years and experience would know better than to constantly aggravate situations just to sit back and get some twisted enjoyment watching conflicts escalate.

When the truth gets in your way you bend it. Your continuous threats to expose people’s identities on this forum speak volumes of your character, or lack thereof.

I’ve finally discovered that it doesn’t matter what I write. I can be sweet as honey or a total asshole. You’re always quick to drag every discussion into the gutter with threats and immature conflict.

It’s far too late for you to “grow up” and I don’t expect change, so I ask the rest of the forum to excuse me as I unload.

My preference of course is to restrict this sort of thing to PMs but Cat Driver and his vast troupe of cheerleaders don’t have the class or restraint to do that.

So in closing Cat Driver, @#$! you.

[Cat Driver]

There you go Hedley he is in a state of mind now that should make it easier to deal with him.

[ChallengerDan]

... and that is the ONLY way you're going to get an accurate
compass swing. In the cruise attitude (not easy on the
ground in a taildragger), at cruise power (again, not easy
on the ground) and with the pilot's headset on.

...which is pretty much what's in AC43.13 (tail dolly and 1500 to 1700 rpm, all radios on/off, etc). Never actually did one myself though...I don't work on small piston aircrafts unfortunately.