garmin 430/530

overtorqued · Post by **overtorqued** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:29 pm

Curious about pilot's preference for IFR gps' that can interface with TWAS, WAAS and stormscopes.
How do ya like the 530/430?

Is it easy to use? Any squawks?

Is there other systems that you prefer to Garmin that can do the same job?

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:52 pm

The Garmin 430 or 530 is a marvelous thing!! I truly believe that it gives better information and situational awareness than most FMS systems for around one-eigth the cost. Excellent colour displays and an accurate moving map that shows exactly how to enter your hold/approach. For a few extra bucks, a complete TCAD GPWS can be installed. It can easily be coupled to most any auto-pilot and is super user friendly..... if you have any other specific questions feel free to PM me.

Cap'n P8 · Post by **Cap'n P8** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:58 pm

I second that yyc! Garmin kicks ass. the 430/530 systems are excellent. I've only had the chance to use the 430 myself, but the 530 hooked up with terrain and weather looks cherry!

As for waas, as far as I know, neither are capable. Garmin does have one unit waas able. I think it's the 580.

Check out Garmin's website for that, plus they have free simulators for both the 430 and the 530. Alas...nothing yet for the 1000.

Gand · Post by **Gand** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 10:18 pm

It's the 480 that is WAAS capable.

http://www.garmin.com/aviation/products.html

Dockjock · Post by **Dockjock** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 1:26 pm

I prefered the King KLN94, and now even the 90B by a long shot. Sure the nice big screens on the garmins were great, but in my opinion they are more geared towards the GA private-pilot type.

Beefs:
1. Having to scroll through every .025MHz when changing frequencies. This about doubles how far you have to twist the knob around when compared to a normal king radio (pull out on the knob for .025 increments). In single pilot ops in busy airspace I found this little inconvenience to be a big pain in the ass.
2. No readily-available page to find destination ETA. Only shows ETA to next waypoint. Now maybe I'm stupid here but I friggin SCOURED the manual to find the page that shows ETA to each waypoint in the flight plan, in my choice of minutes or UTC. I ended up always having to do direct-enter to find time to destination. In King equipment D/T (distance/time) pages do this a million times easier.
3. TCAS interface is poor. While it is neat that you can couple it with a TCAS unit, the targets do not even overlay on the moving map!! You either have to have that tiny little fish finder in the corner, thus making the map smaller just to use it or resort to time-consuming knob twiddling every time you hear "traffic, traffic" to get to the right page. Also, and perhaps this was just an installation error, but I found that the TCAS targets were often depicted in the wrong spot. ATC would say "traffic 2 o'clock 3 miles" and it would be displayed on the unit at 7 o'clock and 3 miles, in other words mirror imaged somehow.

Anyway I'm back to a company that uses King equipment and while the 90B is older and monochrome, and the map sucks, I still prefer it by far to the garmins.

flyinhigh · Post by **flyinhigh** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:42 pm

I'll take the 430 before any KLN, I've used both and much prefer the 430's.

golden hawk · Post by **golden hawk** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:46 pm

I found the 90B okay once you spent time with it to learn all the pages. There are many features that can be very useful.

greenwich · Post by **greenwich** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:50 pm

430 for sure! It's truly all you need.

I've used the 500's as well, but they seem to be a little "over-kill" when compared to the 430! Big screen...compass rose...overlays...all nice on the 500's, but not needed!!

G

PT6-114A · Post by **PT6-114A** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:38 am

I use the KLN89B in the Caravan and the GNS 430 in the 99 and like the 430. the 430 is more user friendly if the Caravan had a 430 in it that would be a great setup for SPIFR

paq · Post by **paq** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:22 pm

We are using CNX 80 now the GNS 480 for Nav/com/gps system. Works realy good. Lnav and Vnav capable. One of our plane is equipped with a 430 and CNX 80, and the last one is far more easy to use, and the display is so much bigger and clearer. Our fleet is being converted to GNS 480.

PAQ

bamboo · Post by **bamboo** » Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:16 pm

I use dual garmin 530's and by far is the best GPS/FMS product on the market for the money. It by far kills the KLN 90B and the 430. It WILL give both ETA and ETE to dest and to the next Waypoint in local and UTC, just need to read the book!!

It is great for the terminal environment and for the NAT environment.

I challenge anyone to show me a better product (For the money)

eep...2 Green · Post by **eep...2 Green** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:04 am

FMS? pfffft! I don't think you are certain what that 3 letter combo means

Spaceship 2 · Post by **Spaceship 2** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:59 am

Hey Paq?
Is the GNS 480 really Vnav capable? I thought only super costly high end FMS's with appropriate air data computers were currently capable of Vnav. Are you talking about Altitude alerting and descent management type stuff? Or can that GNS 480 ( is that a Garmin model?) legaly conduct Vnav ops ( in IMC )

Northern Skies · Post by **Northern Skies** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:28 am

A school I trained with had a malfunction in an older garmin GPS. Sent it in, and the service was great! Had it back in a couple of days, and they paid the shipping.

I've used both king and garmin. I found it easier to learn the garmin, but I can't quite form an opinion because I rarely used them (VFR mountain flying).

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 1:29 pm

430 is much nice. used the 94B, 90B, and the 89B in the caravans, and am very familiar with them. however, i still prefer the interface on the garmins, as well as ease of reversing tracks. Also, the flight plan mode and adding approaches in the garmin is more intiutive. However, once one is familiarized with them, both units are offer great IFR capabilities.

paq · Post by **paq** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:57 pm

Spaceship2
We just had the GNS 480 installed and I have not flown the plane yet, but that's what they are saying in the book.

The gps is waas, wich means it uses ground station plus satellites to determine it's position. i guess you could find more info on the garmin website.

PAQ

Vickers vanguard · Post by **Vickers vanguard** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 11:57 pm

paq, you're not far......
The box garmin calls the 480 is a unit that was build and certified by upsat before garmin bought the company and the product last year.
Lnav/Vnav approaches are the equivalent of current GPS non-precision approaches but with vertical guidance down to 350 ft(hat) at the best. However, only aircraft equipped with FMS can fly Lnav/Vnav approaches using GPS for lateral guidance and BARO for vertical guidance.
WAAS capable units will now allow you to fly these approaches using GPS for vertical guidance too.
But this is not all, the box has been designed to allow for a new type of approach called an LPV approach(localizer precision with vertical guidance).
An LPV approach is a precision approach that provides vertical guidance down to 250 feet (Hat) to a runway that has a published LPV approach and that is where the problem is now! very few runways in Canada have published LPV approachs but they're coming.
This technology will greatly improve safety by providing an ILS like approach to numerous airports who otherwise could not afford to have a standard Ils installation.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:38 am

Garmin has obviously done some work on how pilots think. Their units are far more intuitive and user friendly than anything else out there. It's like the difference between a Mac and the old 386 pc's.

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