Montreal Pilots Please help!!!!!!!!!!!

[jpar84]

Please help me understand why my flight was cancelled today!


Hi guys,

So I was all reved up for my intro flight this morning, got up bright and early checked outside and Ive never seen a more beautiful day! I'm thinking there is no way I'm getting cancelled today its perfect right??? Erm wrong, cancelled due to the air being too bumpy, now I don't know much, in fact i really dont know anything about this stuff, but I'm thinking if the air is too bumpy on a day like today, sunny beautiful, light to no breeze, then I cant imagine what it will be like in the winter. My flight was originally scheduled for wednesday at 2pm, it had rained earlier in the morning but was clearing up very nicely for the afternoon but still got cancelled. I would like to go from 0 hours to flight instructor in a year and a half which I have been told is reasonable as long as the financial resources are there, at this rate though i dont see it happening in the next 10 years lol. Just a little frustrated i guess, did anyone else have flight training cancelled today in Montreal??? Any expert opinions as to why the air would be too rough on a perfect day like today???

thanks a million
JP

[Hedley]

NavCan's GFA:

http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca/ ... Mode=graph

[jpar84]

NavCan's GFA:

http://www.flightplanning.navcanada.ca/ ... Mode=graph

Thanks hedley, not sure how to read that but I guess it has something to do with the reason i couldn't fly.

[timbob]

jpar 84 note the comments box on the forcast
" nil to light turbulence unless otherwise noted" is the english translation. However if this was an intro flight I suppose your instructor might have wanted zero turbulence. Having said that I must suspect that today was a better fit for a cross country, good for a few hours for the instuctor that he might not have gotten if your 20 minutish intro flight was honered. In other words he might have "stiffed " you.

[jpar84]

great and now i'm rescheduled for tomorrow morning with rain in the forecast! What can you do?

[lilfssister]

TAF CYUL 252038Z 252118 23015KT P6SM FEW040 SCT240
BECMG 2224 22010KT
FM1000Z 22008KT P6SM BKN080
FM1700Z 21012G22KT P6SM FEW060 SCT100
RMK NXT FCST BY 00Z=

I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but it means that on Saturday morning, the forecast around Montreal is for light winds, good visibility and no cloud below 8000 feet 6am to
4pm.

[lilfssister]

Also, please note that the link Hedley posted takes you to the current GFA: valid at 10pm Montreal time (at the time of this post), not the one that was valid this morning. The link will take you to the current GFA so will change every six hours.

[MichaelP]

It is very tempting to comment on this thread, but I won't beyond the following:

Suffice it to say that there is a lot to be learned when it comes to flying...
I know what I'd have to say if I was the CFI at an FTU where such cancellations occur.
None of us likes it when students cancel at the last minute based on a weather report when the actual weather turns out to be beautiful.
Even if the weather is bad there are ground briefings that have to be done.

Today I am suffering fatigue, 11 to 14 hour days and everyday is clobbering me! So with respect to the I'M SAFE principle I am on the ground and aiming to go home early today after only 9 hours in the place...
BUT
I gave my afternoon student a thorough briefing on range and endurance with little sidetracks into other regions. I have a model Mitsubishi Zero which is perfect... You need range to get to the target over the long Pacific, and then when you return and carrier space is limited because half the fleet has been sunk you need endurance while you wait your turn!
At the end of the briefing the student had learned a lot he said and was pleased he came even if we didn't fly... In fact after that briefing he had more than enough information to digest and a flight might have been counter productive!

As a student it is your right to show up and be a nuisance because you are there to learn and there's a lot to be learned.
Don't go if there's an earthquake, severe blizzard, or some other serious incident, but do go if the weather is in accord with that TAF!
There is nothing that delights me more than a student hungry to learn and enthusiastic enough to be there regardless.
I was a student like that.

[jpar84]

It is very tempting to comment on this thread, but I won't beyond the following:

Suffice it to say that there is a lot to be learned when it comes to flying...
I know what I'd have to say if I was the CFI at an FTU where such cancellations occur.
None of us likes it when students cancel at the last minute based on a weather report when the actual weather turns out to be beautiful.
Even if the weather is bad there are ground briefings that have to be done.

Today I am suffering fatigue, 11 to 14 hour days and everyday is clobbering me! So with respect to the I'M SAFE principle I am on the ground and aiming to go home early today after only 9 hours in the place...
BUT
I gave my afternoon student a thorough briefing on range and endurance with little sidetracks into other regions. I have a model Mitsubishi Zero which is perfect... You need range to get to the target over the long Pacific, and then when you return and carrier space is limited because half the fleet has been sunk you need endurance while you wait your turn!
At the end of the briefing the student had learned a lot he said and was pleased he came even if we didn't fly... In fact after that briefing he had more than enough information to digest and a flight might have been counter productive!

As a student it is your right to show up and be a nuisance because you are there to learn and there's a lot to be learned.
Don't go if there's an earthquake, severe blizzard, or some other serious incident, but do go if the weather is in accord with that TAF!
There is nothing that delights me more than a student hungry to learn and enthusiastic enough to be there regardless.
I was a student like that.

A good thought but in my case this was simply an intro flight and its a 55km treck to the flight school 110km of driving total and with the gas prices these days I dont know that it would have been worth showing up for whatever ground briefing I would have gotten when I am scheduled for tomorrow anyway. I will keep this in mind for the future though.

thanks
JP

[jpar84]

TAF CYUL 252038Z 252118 23015KT P6SM FEW040 SCT240
BECMG 2224 22010KT
FM1000Z 22008KT P6SM BKN080
FM1700Z 21012G22KT P6SM FEW060 SCT100
RMK NXT FCST BY 00Z=

I know this doesn't mean anything to you, but it means that on Saturday morning, the forecast around Montreal is for light winds, good visibility and no cloud below 8000 feet 6am to
4pm.

Good to know. looks like I might finally get in the air after all.

thanks

[lilfssister]

I am mathematically challenged today (been one of those days ), so those conversions from zulu to local may be an hour-ish off, or maybe not? But basically, you SHOULD be okay in the morning

[jpar84]

jpar 84 note the comments box on the forcast
" nil to light turbulence unless otherwise noted" is the english translation. However if this was an intro flight I suppose your instructor might have wanted zero turbulence. Having said that I must suspect that today was a better fit for a cross country, good for a few hours for the instuctor that he might not have gotten if your 20 minutish intro flight was honered. In other words he might have "stiffed " you.

It was actually a lady that I was scheduled to fly with, is it possible that the gals are as crooked as the guys in this industry???

But no I hope this is not the case though, after all I intend to spend 40-50 grand flight training so whether i am flying a cross-country or an intro it ahouldn't matter, if they prefer not to have my business they should let me know if you know what I mean. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but i think its with good reason.

thanks for all the input everyone
cheers
JP

[jpar84]

I am mathematically challenged today (been one of those days ), so those conversions from zulu to local may be an hour-ish off, or maybe not? But basically, you SHOULD be okay in the morning

My fingers are crossed.

[MichaelP]

its a 55km treck to the flight school 110km of driving total

Where are you going, and from where?

[timbob]

jpar 84 note the comments box on the forcast
" nil to light turbulence unless otherwise noted" is the english translation. However if this was an intro flight I suppose your instructor might have wanted zero turbulence. Having said that I must suspect that today was a better fit for a cross country, good for a few hours for the instuctor that he might not have gotten if your 20 minutish intro flight was honered. In other words he might have "stiffed " you.


It was actually a lady that I was scheduled to fly with, is it possible that the gals are as crooked as the guys in this industry???

But no I hope this is not the case though, after all I intend to spend 40-50 grand flight training so whether i am flying a cross-country or an intro it ahouldn't matter, if they prefer not to have my business they should let me know if you know what I mean. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but i think its with good reason.

thanks for all the input everyone
cheers
JP

Fact of the matter is this; Considering the poorish weather lately; I would expect most students have been backed up in their training especially off airport thus a little pressure to take advantage of a fine day like today..Its not that much a stretch that a intro flight may have gotten the bump.To a busy instructor @ a busy FTU ; an intro might be given lower priority than a student that has been waiting.

Just so you know...I did my private with a female, as well as my float rating.
I hope I don't get chastized for the following coment.

I think training with a girl actually helped me as I think I didn't want to look "stupid" to a girl .So I made sure I was better prepared for the lessons.A small piece of advice...Try to know the lesson before you fly it; there is a lot that can distract you once airborne so have the "picture " beforehand.

Of course I was 22 then..Now that I'm older I realize being stupid may or not help you with girls.

ps.....they were both quite pretty

[lilfssister]

Do some of you people actually READ the entire thread before posting? jspar is not a student pilot. jspar is booked (again and again and again) for an intro flight to see if they want to be a student pilot. (I say again, been one of those days...excuse the are you listening to/reading a f*&^ng word???????????????????? comments)

Lil

[jpar84]

its a 55km treck to the flight school 110km of driving total

Where are you going, and from where?

I live in Kirkland and I am flying at cargair in Mascouche.

[jpar84]

jpar 84 note the comments box on the forcast
" nil to light turbulence unless otherwise noted" is the english translation. However if this was an intro flight I suppose your instructor might have wanted zero turbulence. Having said that I must suspect that today was a better fit for a cross country, good for a few hours for the instuctor that he might not have gotten if your 20 minutish intro flight was honered. In other words he might have "stiffed " you.


It was actually a lady that I was scheduled to fly with, is it possible that the gals are as crooked as the guys in this industry???

But no I hope this is not the case though, after all I intend to spend 40-50 grand flight training so whether i am flying a cross-country or an intro it ahouldn't matter, if they prefer not to have my business they should let me know if you know what I mean. Maybe I'm just being paranoid but i think its with good reason.








thanks for all the input everyone
cheers
JP

Fact of the matter is this; Considering the poorish weather lately; I would expect most students have been backed up in their training especially off airport thus a little pressure to take advantage of a fine day like today..Its not that much a stretch that a intro flight may have gotten the bump.To a busy instructor @ a busy FTU ; an intro might be given lower priority than a student that has been waiting.

Just so you know...I did my private with a female, as well as my float rating.
I hope I don't get chastized for the following coment.

I think training with a girl actually helped me as I think I didn't want to look "stupid" to a girl .So I made sure I was better prepared for the lessons.A small piece of advice...Try to know the lesson before you fly it; there is a lot that can distract you once airborne so have the "picture " beforehand.

Of course I was 22 then..Now that I'm older I realize being stupid may or not help you with girls.

ps.....they were both quite pretty

No qualms here about learning from a lady, as long as she knows her stuff and can teach it to me, maybe it will keep me more focused who knows?

[MichaelP]

My first flight lesson was at Cedars Airport besides the 2+20 in CF VLA a Cherokee 140 in 1971...
That was before the rights of Canadians were taken away in Quebec.
Now they call the place Les Cedres

[CSk3RampBOY]

I live in Kirkland and I am flying at cargair in Mascouche.

Hey welcome!

I am the one you ran into today behind the counter at Mascouche. Nice to see that your flight went well today. Mariko is a lot of fun to work with & it should work great for you.

Csk3 (mascouche) or Css3 (Cedars) are the best airports to learn in the Montreal area. Less ground time at Csk3 = more money saved. Cargair is a great choice!

I'll be around within the next weeks as I will be instructing there soon.

Cheers!

[jpar84]

I live in Kirkland and I am flying at cargair in Mascouche.

Hey welcome!

I am the one you ran into today behind the counter at Mascouche. Nice to see that your flight went well today. Mariko is a lot of fun to work with & it should work great for you.

Csk3 (mascouche) or Css3 (Cedars) are the best airports to learn in the Montreal area. Less ground time at Csk3 = more money saved. Cargair is a great choice!

I'll be around within the next weeks as I will be instructing there soon.

Cheers!

Hey,

Yes it did go very well, I think she was relieved once we got in the air and i had decent control for a beginner, because I had some trouble with the taxiing at first and she was kind of smiling and giggling a bit thinking "oh boy what am I getting myself into with this guy lol" but I was better on the taxi back in.

Mariko was great, she was very patient and made me feel very comfortable, I remember back about 5-6 years ago I did an intro flight in Ottawa when i was deciding whether to flight train or go to university first, the guy was a total hot dog I think his sole purpose was to try to make me lose my lunch lol.

Anyway, I had a lot of fun and I look forward to getting things started very soon.

cheers
JP

[lilfssister]

Glad to hear the weather cooperated, and you had a good flight!

[jpar84]

Glad to hear the weather cooperated, and you had a good flight!

thanks, i did just get it in on time, started raining by the time i got home.

cheers
JP

[niss]

I think training with a girl actually helped me as I think I didn't want to look "stupid" to a girl .

Actually in the IDF they found that the men learned from female instructors much better for this very reason. In a group of macho men its rather damaging to the ego to be shown up by "a little girl" so they all tried harder.

[jpar84]

I think training with a girl actually helped me as I think I didn't want to look "stupid" to a girl .

Actually in the IDF they found that the men learned from female instructors much better for this very reason. In a group of macho men its rather damaging to the ego to be shown up by "a little girl" so they all tried harder.

LOL, well considering I have uh 0.5 hrs of flight experience I'm quite certain she could show me up she wanted to, the ego will be left in the back seat at least until my first solo heheh. Its good to know that research is on my side though, surveys never lie right?

Regardless, I have always found I build a better rapport with female educators, throughout university I always got along better with female professors and usually got better grades in their classes. I suspect flight training should be no different. Not sure what it is, I guess guys just p*** me off hahah just kidding.

cheers
JP

cheers
JP