BE20 Right Seat PPC Advice?

[victory_aviation]

I am doing a PPC ride on the BE20 this week and I am looking for a bit of advice. This is my first 703 PPC so I am wonding what IFR questions I might be asked that are different from the normal Group 1 IFR ride. Is there anything special that I should study?

[Doc]

Aircraft limitations are really a big part of a PPC. Know how to check for a blown RCCB. Spend some time with the CAP General. Know your memory items down cold. If things are quiet in the cockpit during your flight, think about requesting a check list. Use your captain. Transfer control when it makes sense to do so, or any time you feel like you need a break. It's a two crew ride. Relax and enjoy.

[ettw]

This is what I have always said to new pilots doing their first PPC.

1) Ace your ground brief witht the CCP...ie know ALL your speeds, weights, limitations, memory items COLD! If you ace the ground brief, you have demonstrated that you have put alot of effort into this and if your flight portion doesnt go quite as well as you hoped, the CCP knows that you know your stuff and you just need more time in the plane to learn. If you blow the ground brief, you had better be . Fu**ing Yeager in the air!

2) This PPC is a learning ticket.

3) The CCP is not there to fail you (at least not in my experience)

4) Give control to the Capt for your approach briefs (probably SOP anyways) and take a few secs to collect your thoughts, look out the window for a moment and CALM DOWN! Do your brief and make sure the Capt concurs. You will probably get the plane back trimmed better and any minor deviations in alt or heading that you had when you gave control will be corrected (thats what I always did anyways)

5) See comment #3

6) RELAX...I know its your first but it will got just fine IF you have done your homework.

Good luck and enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done when the ride is over and the CCP shakes your hand and says "well done, congratulations"

Cheers,

ETTW

[just curious]

3) The CCP is not there to fail you (at least not in my experience)

Actually, I was. But, ettw did okay on the ground portion...

[altiplano]

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[just curious]

For the ground portion.... we know that you as an initial FO,will not know everything related to the operation of the aircraft verbatim. Get question that you don't know the answer to? Don't hand the check pilot a line of BS!

Pick the book AFM, SOP, COM,Cap Gen that may best generate an answer. Know at least which chapter in the COM gives Ops Specs, and which gives amplified procedures for normal events. If you can look me in the eye,and say "I don't know the answer to.... approach ban" and then proceed to say there should be a guideline to it in our ops specs, the Cap Gen, and chapter 3 of the ops manual- I'd give you far more credit than a great many recurrent candidates.

Relax, use your captain,and have fun.

[xsbank]

I would also like to add that you need to know the MAPP cold and execute it if things start to go bad. I would rather see a well-flown missed than an approach you pulled out of a hat.

Re-read JC's post.

[Rowdy]

Lots and LOTS of great information! The actual IFR ride stuff is quite straighforward. It's knowing the SOP's, The company ops spec's, How to use the COM, the AFM and CAP GEN! Well at least know how to find stuff in them.

As far as the 200 goes.. Know what major items you lose with certain Generator/current limiter failure combinations. How do you determine which current limiter is fried. I would make sure you've got a good understanding of what checklists are at hand. Go over the flows and the emergency checklist book. Not just the memory items, but try and remember what all is in there! Remember.. it's very much an electric airplane. Does it have a pod? have a good look at the approach plates before hand..

When I did my initial on the 100.. I hadn't flown IFR in a year and a half and it was my first PPC!! I could barely rattle off a take off briefing.. Sit down and go through one in your head a few times.

If you have any questions on the 200 itself.. there is a TON of good information and experience on this forum. And as everyone has said.. don't sweat it.. If I can pass a 200 ride.. ANYONE CAN! haha

[Brantford Beech Boy]

All good advice but I think some are missing the point. Rides are simply validation of the training.
I've always had the mentality of "Train hard, Ride easy" and will put candidates through more intense situations in the training regime than will be faced in a ride scenario.

If your training was well done, you should have all the required info/skills and the ride becomes a non-issue.
and beyond all that, the best thing is to RELAX! and if u make amstake, keep trucking like it never happened.

(my $0.02)

BBB

[flying4dollars]

People will always be nervous about rides, no matter how experienced you are, how many times you've done it, or how many people say its not that bad. And thats fine, because 99.9% of the time, it really isn't that bad (if you're well prepared). When you're asked a question, don't babble. Just answer it. Don't go off on other tangents or some big explanation in an attempt to impress the guy, because in doing so, you may say something that isn't correct, or will prompt him to elaborate his question, going deeper into the original one.

When I did my PPC on the 1900, it was my 1st PPC, and my first ride in 3 years since my IFR initial. I was nervous!!! I knew my stuff pretty well, which made the ground portion quick and easy. The more the examiner finds you don't know, the more questions he will ask. You go and answer pretty much the first 10 questions without difficulty and he'll probably stop short and say okay we're done.

As for the flying part, again nervous. The beauty of the ride was that since it was 2 crew, I didn't have to do everything myself. In the initial, you're hand flying, flipping through charts, constantly scanning your instruments and fumbling around with it all. With a 2 crew flight for your PPC, you fly...and only fly. The more work you give the NFP, the better it is for you, and the better it looks, as it shows you can demonstrate good CRM. YOU concentrate on flying and doing what you need (speeds, altitudes, maneuvers etc). Let the NFP set your power, avionics, and call out your deviations.

Trying to do everything on your own to impress the examiner will do just the opposite. (People don't get jobs with the AC's and WJ's for doing this in the sim eval).

Breath, relax, and enjoy it! Yes that's right, enjoy it! It will be your first of many.

Good luck

F4D

[victory_aviation]

Thanks to everyone for all the help.

[young grasshopper]

altiplano wrote:

Don't talk to much... You aren't that smart.

Perfect advice...When there's an uncomfortable silence during the ground briefing, either shut up, or say "just kidding". I thought I did pretty wicked during my first be20 PPC, but then the CCP (a buddy of mine) said, "Remember, just answer what I ask of you...anytime you try to expand on it, you just dig yourself into a deeper hole!!". Seriously though...have a good ground brief and the rest will be smooth sailing. Remember that its a licence to learn. Good luck!

[just curious]

So, I take it you aren't going to have to sell shoes for a living now? How'd it go? What kind of stump the stars questions did you get hit with? What answers in particular gained you points?

I need to know so I can ask tougher questions...