New Licence Format.

[North Shore]

Anyone else having problems with the download of the new licence application? it's found here: http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... l/apps.htm When I hit the download for "Application for Aviation Document Booklet", it flashes up the following message: To view the full contents of this document, you need a later version of the PDF viewer. You can upgrade
to the latest version of Adobe Reader from www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html

For further support, go to www.adobe.com/support/products/acrreader.html

Ok, well, I did that and installed it, and I still can't get the darn thing to work? Any suggestions - or similarities? Maybe it's the site today, and not me? Perhaps I should bill TC for $55 for a processing fee for the time I've spent on this?

[Go Guns]

I had the same thing, but I just clicked on the window and it let me fill it out and print it. I don't think you're supposed to be able to save it.

[Hedley]

http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp

[Lost Lake]

Just talked to TC. I understand they are not starting now on new licenses until January. Seems they are behind schedule. Probably some bureaucrat is trying to figure how to put finger prints, DNA and retina scans on to it!! Oh shit, if any of them are reading this, I might of put an idea in their head.

Go figure!!

[Doc]

The Americans seem to be able to put the whole thing on a credit card sized plastic card, complete with photo and magnetic strip. Too simple? Or, no Canadian politician has a relative that's able to make a fortune from it...more likely the truth.

[Old Dog Flying]

This "new format licence" really isn't new. The Mother of Terror used the same thing in the 1920s and it was dog-eared in about 2 months because you had to carry it with you...just like today...and unless you wear Tilley pants, the pockets won't handle the bloody thing.

So much for intelligent thinking.

[AUGER9]

Just talked to TC. I understand they are not starting now on new licenses until January. Seems they are behind schedule.

So should I even bother filling this out now to get it over with and 'beat the rush?' Or is TC just gonna put in on a pile and say they 'lost' my $55?

[Lost Lake]

Just talked to TC. I understand they are not starting now on new licenses until January. Seems they are behind schedule.

So should I even bother filling this out now to get it over with and 'beat the rush?' Or is TC just gonna put in on a pile and say they 'lost' my $55?

Read my previous post. The new license is delayed!! Save your money. THEY'LL let you know when they want your money. Unless of course you just want to be the first kid on the block with a license the size of a brief case.

Wonder where all the float drivers are going to keep this new one?

[Hedley]

I was told this licence is going to have an expiry date
of 5 years, and is going to cost $155 to renew - if
you can get it renewed on time. If you don't then
you are liable for a hefty fine for flying without a
pilot's licence

Now, that sounds like a great deal, doesn't it?

[Cat Driver]

Is it a prerequisite that to get moved into a position of decision making at TCCA you first must be at the bottom of the moron scale?

[trey kule]

Cat wrote:

Is it a prerequisite that to get moved into a position of decision making at TCCA you first must be at the bottom of the moron scale?

Sometimes you really have to wonder. But I also have to wonder why all those who are unhappy with this have done anything at all about it except bitch and complain.

If people are unhappy about carrying a minute carboard billboard in their pocket, perhaps they should take a few moments and email their MP. Perhaps they should mention it to the media as another example of government waste and beauracracy.

No sense in contacted TC. They will, like they do with all their boneheaded decisions, justify it and rationalize it, and explain to you in the same manner as is usually reserved for a slightly slow five year old. Have to find a politician who is interested in it.

Or...get the widow interested in helping. Turn her loose and I am sure she will accomplish what a 100 whiners can not.


BTW...no longer flying on a Canadian license....nice little FAA credit card type.....so as the great Nelson Munce stated...HAH HAH>

[flyingdan]

Is it a prerequisite that to get moved into a position of decision making at TCCA you first must be at the bottom of the moron scale?

Wouldn't it be the top?

[Cat Driver]

Wouldn't it be the top?

Measured on the IQ scale you would be hard pressed to find many of them at the top of the scale.

[brokenwing]

float drivers will keep 'em where we always keep 'em. I'll let you know when I find it.

[wallypilot]

Read my previous post. The new license is delayed!! Save your money. THEY'LL let you know when they want your money. Unless of course you just want to be the first kid on the block with a license the size of a brief case.

Or in some cases our companies are pressing us to get it done. At least they'll be paying for it though!

[Cat Driver]

Or in some cases our companies are pressing us to get it done.

What possible reason would there be to get this new format license when they don't even have them finished?

[AUGER9]

Here's some pics of it if anyone wants to take a look. Looks like a frickin novel. And there's also about 12 spots to get your medical stamped off.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... tm#general

[just curious]

Might be nice if they read through their own preamble and corrected the age 60 to age 65 in accordance with ICAO

[Cat Driver]

Are they going to supply us with a water proof back pack to carry the thing around in?

Just Curious it is a good thing they have to change the age 60 to age 65 to keep up with ICAO standards, that means we have another year or two while they figure out how to make the change.

[Old Dog Flying]

Hey .: I just sent them my thoughts...and signed your name to it... . Actually I used my own but figured . would get a kick out of the idea.

What a piece of crap!

[Colibri]

It actually looks thicker than my passport. What a joke.

[E-Flyer]

I thought the ATPL's were already done and they were starting CPL's in January.

[Cat Driver]

Easy there Old Dog, you don't want to use my name around these parts because a lot of these local pilots will think you are inferior.

As to TC well it is far to late for either of us to worry what they think.

[xsbank]

What a crock. That booklet could only be designed in Canada by an entire room full of dorks and yahoos with absolutely NO experience in aviation.

I wonder if they ever asked a license-holder what they thought would be a good format? "Gee Capt. Preuss, I really want a BIG book to hold my license, at least as big as those cool wings I got at the school but I want it to be really hard to update, sticking all those sticky crappy stamps in it in all the wrong places, squint like the directions show, but I particularly want it to be BIG. I want it to be sooo BIG that I can't possibly get it in a normal wallet or any pocket smaller than a backpack or a Canada Goose so I'll have to get one of those MANBAGs that all the metrosexuals in TO use so I will get a GREAT reception in the Mangy Moose or the Trapline Bar when I take my cool new license-in-a-bag with me.

I REALLY want to be the laughing-stock of the Immigration Department in Hong Kong, too, when I whip that on those suckers they won't know what hit them. I will have to remember to give them the handy booklet of directions that they are going to need to figure the sucker out. I hope they provide some handy pockets in it to put my passport, my lunch, my cellphone, my Bermuda and my FAA license, you know, that credit-card-sized thing all the US pilots use?

Oh yeah, I want it to be REALLY EXPENSIVE to renew so my company will REALLY know what I'm worth when I have to renew it.

[Carrier]

Quote: "...........that credit-card-sized thing all the US pilots use?"

Anyone of intelligence always checks first to see if there is already a solution somewhere. Morons ignore this and reinvent the wheel. The Americans have shown that there is a practical solution already in service. All the bozos at TC had to do was copy it. The FAA would probably have been very willing to help them.
Instead if this goes ahead then all Canadian licence holders are to be blighted with a most impractical and expensive made-in-Canada balls up because the "management" at TC is too thick to look elsewhere or ask for help or else suffers from that all too common Canadian inferiority complex that publicly despises Americans and anything from the USA but is more than happy to accept all the benefits of being the USA's neighbour.
I hope that thee will be enough protests to stop this stupid encyclopaedia sized licence and go with A USA style credit card size licence.

This is election time so now is an opportunity to ask the candidates about a credit card size licence, removing the $55 fictional medical processing fee, ensuring that licences and medical renewals are issued within private sector timeframes, investigations of various crashes, investigations of the misconduct or worse of various persons at TC, etc. If you stay silent or just bitch on forums such as this then YOU are part of the problem!