The boys in the YXU tower must have been shaking their heads today...
At 1050Z
The Aero Academy Cessna 152 aircraft was preparing to depart on a local VFR flight from London International Airport (CYXU). The aircraft was cleared for take off runway 33 from Alpha taxiway. The aircraft started to depart runway 15 from Alpha. The Cessna was instructed to abort takeoff and turned around and departed runway 33. No operational impact.
Then, at 1140Z
The Prince Edward Air Ltd. Cessna 208 Caravan aircraft (operating as flight CME807) was on an IFR flight from London International Airport (CYXU) to Sarnia (Chris Hadfield) Airport (CYZR). CME807 was cleared for take off runway 33 from Alpha taxiway. CME807 turned onto runway 15 and started to roll. The Tower instructed CME807 to abort takeoff and turn to depart runway 33. One VFR aircraft in circuit runway 33 1 nautical mile final runway 33. Minimal impact on operations.
., that is truly hilarious. That guy must have gone on to manage CZNL as the airport manager out there couldn't manage his way out of a wet paper bag.
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Thats not the first taking off the wrong way. Looks though aero's cadors like a week and a half ago. Did the same thing except this time they ticked off Jazz...
Look at your Heading indicator, compass, HSI, PFD whatever you have to make sure your on the runway your think your on before you advance the power. This will one day save your bacon.
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It has had serious consequences before. The blurb in the box down the right side of this page refers to a particularly bad case. The NTSB report is linked at the bottom.
Highflyinpilot wrote:doesnt matter if there are arrows or not, you know 33 is northish and 15 is southish, as said before just look at your heading indicator.
Yes pilots should know, but apparently some people make mistakes. If putting a few arrows on the sign averts a mass fatality, then it makes sense to do it.
So does putting giant pillows at the end of the runway but at some point the pilots have to do things on their own. Looking at a HI is no different then looking at an arrow. Before you call ready take a look at the airport chart and HI and figure out if it's a 90 turn left right or just a partial turn and do a quick check again before you roll. You can have up to 4 possible runways at a single intersection and your HI will give you a way better picture as to how to depart then an arrow ever will. You'd be surprised how many pilots start their roll completely oblivious to where they are. I'd like to say that 2 in one day is a freak coincidence, unfortunately its not.
I'll agree with everyone. The numbers should be there, but not knowing the runway direction is completely unexceptable.
On another note, NavCan phoned our school the other day telling us they're trying to make London class C airspace because of all the chinese and indians (his words, not mine). Thoughts?
The problem with expecting pilots to do things on their own without giving them reminders is that you end up with pilots forgetting to set the flaps for takeoff and killing hundreds of people. After that happened a few times they decided it might be a good idea to put in a warning system, which unfortunately doesn't seem to have worked on the recent Spanair crash.
AUGER9 wrote:I'll agree with everyone. The numbers should be there, but not knowing the runway direction is completely unexceptable.
On another note, NavCan phoned our school the other day telling us they're trying to make London class C airspace because of all the chinese and indians (his words, not mine). Thoughts?
While definitely not the best choice of words, the reasoning is sound. The language requirement put in place by TC, is a joke and there are countless incidents that arise directly from language barriers.
The problem with expecting pilots to do things on their own without giving them reminders is that you end up with pilots forgetting to set the flaps for takeoff and killing hundreds of people.
So your position is pilots are incapable of having the airmanship to be able to figure out which direction runway xx is and there should be a warning device to stop them from taking off 180 degrees from the direction they are supposed to take off?
Great idea.
But why stop there, why not just get rid of pilots and automate the whole airplane?
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Runway 12 active for night flying, runway lights are on, and keep in mind the 12 and 07 share a common threshold...but ONLy Rnwy 12 is lighted. And Bozo the clown departs from 07 in the dark. His excuse was that he thought that I turned the lights out as a joke!
He actually got away with it. Yes I had cleared Bozo for take-off, watched him come around the corner and then reached for the 500 Line to pass a F/P departure and that's when he switched and at the point that I saw what he was doing, he had rotation speed and I figured that it was safer to let him go rather than say anything...which he probably couldn't clue into anyway.
And yes Cobra64, there are indicators that tell the pilot which direction the aircraft is pointed...it is called a Directional Gyro...Heading Indicator...HSI...and others
Ok, Quiz Time. You're on E2, cleared for takeoff Runway 18L from the intersection E2... without a compass/HSI/DG/Map/Charts/CFS, which side do you turn ?
Left or Right ?
I think I'll write the answer right away, I'm too scared of the answers.
You will turn left.
If you need the whole runway you'd turn right.
36L - 18R means, the threshold for 18L is to your right.
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Cat Driver wrote:So you are against the ownership of private airplanes that require a human to fly them?
Nope, I own one. But with my plane there is nothing I can forget to do that will end up killing me or trashing the plane. I have never taken off from a runway intersection (and if I did I hope I'd check carefully that I was on the right runway), but some people apparently aren't so careful.
Benwa wrote:You will turn left.
Surely it depends what side of the runway the holding point is on?
