Jazz losing their C2's

[iwannasoar]

I've been hearing this nasty rumor. Jazz will be losing their C2's on mainline. Just wondering if anybody has anything more than just "third party information"

[mattedfred]

just a rumour that has been spread by whomever for a couple of years now

[iwannasoar]

I guess it just has a little more traction now that Jazz is a stand alone company

[mattedfred]

so is georgian and they have passes on AC

this rumour won't go away and keeps getting denied by MGT

who knows

[Soixante-Neuf]

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[whiteguy]

so is georgian and they have passes on AC

this rumour won't go away and keeps getting denied by MGT

who knows

Georgians passes aren't the same as Jazz's agreement. Jazz employees fly on the same priority as AC employees.

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so is georgian and they have passes on AC

this rumour won't go away and keeps getting denied by MGT

who knows

Georgians passes aren't the same as Jazz's agreement. Jazz employees fly on the same priority as AC employees.

Totally incorrect. Georgian's passes are the exactly the same as Jazz and AC passes. Georgian no longer issues the Air Canada employee travel card, but they travel on C2 with date of hire priority. There's a large misconception about the Georgian passes, but I'm 100% sure on my answer.

[machaltstar]

With the mainline flight attendants getting the Jazz commuter policy awarded to them in there latest arbitration with regard to their base closures, I imagine you'll soon see everyone with this commuting policy. And I would imaging that the F/A's will fight a whole lot harder to have the Jazz C2's removed of the mainline.

[whiteguy]

Totally incorrect. Georgian's passes are the exactly the same as Jazz and AC passes. Georgian no longer issues the Air Canada employee travel card, but they travel on C2 with date of hire priority. There's a large misconception about the Georgian passes, but I'm 100% sure on my answer.[/quote]

You may be correct but I find it hard to believe since AC employees travel as a C4 on Georgian. Unless the policy's have not been updated in the ETS.

[hithere]

Jazz and AC employees travel as C2 on AC/Jazz/Georgian with their date of hire. Georgian employees travel on Jazz and AC with C2 priority but their date of hire is adjusted to whatever day they are travelling

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Jazz and AC employees travel as C2 on AC/Jazz/Georgian with their date of hire. Georgian employees travel on Jazz and AC with C2 priority but their date of hire is adjusted to whatever day they are travelling

That's apparently the way it's supposed to happen, though I've never seen that written anywhere. There's often reference to c2 with a virtual date of hire of the current day, however the travel package given to Georgian people doesn't mention anything like that. The reality is that they travel with C2, with their date of hire from Georgian.

[circlingfor69]

Only in this backward system could a non employee of AC mainline get a standby seat ahead of an AC mainline employee. This has to be addressed in the 09 contract talks!

[mattedfred]

Only in this backward system could a non employee of AC mainline get a standby seat ahead of an AC mainline employee. This has to be addressed in the 09 contract talks!

first of all which ACE employees are we talking about? MTC, CSA, FAs, AC pilots, aeroplan etc

aren't the lines a bit blurred now as to whom is an air canada employee

for argument sake lets say that just the air canada pilots get C2 on flights that have an air canada number but this would not apply to codeshare flights with other star alliance carriers right?

so should it apply to all of the flights with air canada flight numbers that are operated by many other operators than mainline?

if that is the case then a jazz or CMA employee would have less priority on the flights that they operate

i say make it simple and C2 DOH for any employee of any company under contract to ACE

don't you think some of your fellow pilots benefit from the current system as many of them commute on jazz aircraft?

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if that is the case then a jazz or CMA employee would have less priority on the flights that they operate

Just to muddy the waters further, CMA travels on a D level priority. They used to have Air Canada travel cards and C level passes but that was taken away years ago.

[machaltstar]

"don't you think some of your fellow pilots benefit from the current system as many of them commute on jazz aircraft?"

Commuting is a choice, made by individuals that choose not live where they work. I'd also hazard a guess that there are those at Jazz that commute and travel on mainline airplanes just as there are those at the mainline commuting on Jazz.

So as a non commuter, when I choose to travel on my own airline (while on vacation or days off) and I don't get a seat because someone that flys or works for another airline is getting on ahead of me, I have to say I'm a a lot disappointed. And if I don't get a seat while trying to fly on the other guys airline, well guess what......its the other guys airline and I know better!

[mattedfred]

i would bet that more mainline employees commute on jazz aircraft than mainline aircraft

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i would bet that more mainline employees commute on jazz aircraft than mainline aircraft

I'd really like to see a stat on that. I can't see YAM/YSB/YQT/etc adding up to even the number of people that commute out of YUL - YYZ on the rapid air flights alone. I won't even touch the YHZ, YEG, YWG, YYC commuters who almost never commute on jazz.

[ourkid2000]

I can't believe you idiots are still talking about this. For frigs sakes, things are fine the way they are and we do not need any further division..........at this point in the game we cannot afford to be handing the company any more bargaining power than they already have. With all the peices of AC being sold off, you douchebags are hopping on the "no longer AC employees" bandwagon and it's sad. Your tune will change when you're sold off i'm sure.

If this is to be brought up for discussion, then at least wait until after our contracts are signed. Sheesh, what lousy poker players you must make.

[mattedfred]

endless,

i recommend that you review the routes that jazz is currently operating for AC

kid2000,

parts of your post are offensive and i would like you to edit it accordingly as it says more about you then it does about the rest of us

[ourkid2000]

Apart from the slightly harsh language, I apologize for nothing. This movement amongst AC employees to forsake our fellow employees, just to get ahead on an airplane, is shameful and I will not be a part of it and I will not stand for it.

Like I said, when you're sold off, the tunes will change.

[minimumsdecide]

It is this childish like behavior from Air Canada employees that makes me realize that leaving the Air Canada organization was the best thing I ever did

The screw you, no screw you, attitude is alive and well

Who needs competition when you have employee LOVE like this

2009 in the AC world might end up like the financial system in the USA did this week

[piggy]

hear hear !

[piggy]

It is this childish like behavior from Air Canada employees that makes me realize that leaving the Air Canada organization was the best thing I ever did

The screw you, no screw you, attitude is alive and well

Who needs competition when you have employee LOVE like this

2009 in the AC world might end up like the financial system in the USA did this week

Hear Hear !

[rigpiggy]

The screw you, no screw you, attitude is alive and well

Sounds like hallway sex

[Brick Head]

I can't believe you idiots are still talking about this. For frigs sakes, things are fine the way they are and we do not need any further division......... you douchebags are hopping on the "no longer AC employees" bandwagon and it's sad.

???????????

CUPE and Air Canada, with the help of Arbitrator Brian Keller, have negotiated terms for the closure of YHZ, YWG, and the chopping of 300 jobs in YVR. It is rumored only that during these negotiations Air Canada stated it would change the pass policy back to what it was 5 years ago, in an effort to aid the YVR,YWG and YHZ FA's commute. There is no mention of this in Mr. Keller's report. We will have to wait and see if the rumor is true.

The FA's lost paid moves in their CA during CCAA.
There is basically no severance being offered to them
Air Canada has made the choice to force 600 FA's to either commute or quit.

But they are all idiots and douche bags for deciding it might be inappropriate to have people who do not work for AC, get on Air Canada flights before them, while they are trying to get to work???????????????