Harmony airlines

[YYZPilot]

Is Harmony starting up again???

[flying4dollars]

Is Harmony starting up again???

??

well...what have you heard

[ScudRunner]

4 767's
China/Hawaii
Spring 2009

Thats all Ive heard through the grapevine.

[taylor498]

Is Harmony starting up again???

Funny you should say that... they took the Harmony sign down from their building today @ YVR... (former Canadian offices) They've now got 2 small offices on the first floor. http://lh4.ggpht.com/_4o6WnJWr3TM/R5qEe ... B13453.JPG

4 767's
China/Hawaii
Spring 2009

Thats all Ive heard through the grapevine.

I heard from good sources that their Hawaii stuff was always profitable, especially YYC-OGG (WJ can't go direct)

David Ho isn't ready to admit defeat yet.

[200hr Wonder]

Not to mention Mr. Ho's net worth is well into the Billions (No one knows for sure) and Harmony never did go bankrupt they just shutdown. Mr. Ho's pockets are deep enough for aviation if anyone's are.

[North Shore]

Oil's down, but then again, so is just about everything else. Still, seems like a poor time to jump into the airline business..

[Pat Richard]

seems like a poor time to jump into the airline business.

There's a good time?

[jjj]

The problem for a little boutique airline is that there is no network to feed it.

Good luck to all if they flash up again.

My question though is for anyone who is presently employed and is considering going back to their old job:

What will be different this time at HMY?


jjj

[Panama Jack]

Not to mention Mr. Ho's net worth is well into the Billions (No one knows for sure) and Harmony never did go bankrupt they just shutdown. Mr. Ho's pockets are deep enough for aviation if anyone's are.

You're assuming, of course, that Mr. Ho is willing to blow all of his money on playing with airplanes, especially if they are not offering sufficient return. My personal observation is that plenty of self-made Chinese millionaires made it to where they are by being shrewd and calculating. I doubt Mr. Ho would be any different, to his credit.

[E-Flyer]

The problem for a little boutique airline is that there is no network to feed it.

Good luck to all if they flash up again.

My question though is for anyone who is presently employed and is considering going back to their old job:

What will be different this time at HMY?


jjj

From what I understand their pilots were furloughed and not let go... shouldn't be hard to get their old guys back considering that it was apparently a good company to work for. Everybody seemed happy

[unregistered]

The problem for a little boutique airline is that there is no network to feed it.

So what's the problem?

We're not talking about an Air Canada or Westjet here.

[Panama Jack]

My thinking exactly. If he wants to be everything to everyone, oh oh.

But there is probably enough of a market between Vancouver and China to support daily flights to a couple of destinations for the Chinese community, assuming fares are attractive and he markets right. And if Hawaii has enough market, great. But we are talking about an airline with a fleet of maybe a half dozen airplanes. If that is good enough for Mr. Ho, I don't see why he can't pull it off.

[jjj]

E- flyer:

Layed off - furloughed - long kiss goodnight - whatever.

Sure they will get their old squad back - Sure it was a great place to work - OK cash for captains - sweet airplane - working 9 days a month with sweet layovers in Maui.

Sounds great except that the company wasn't making money.

Unregistered:

Please see previous sentence.



So once again I put the question out there - what will be different a bout HMY this time 'round?????

[ScudRunner]

So once again I put the question out there - what will be different a bout HMY this time 'round?????

767 Vs 757
I Win!!!

[pika]

From what I understand their pilots were furloughed and not let go... shouldn't be hard to get their old guys back considering that it was apparently a good company to work for. Everybody seemed happy

Considering IF they get going again it will be two years since the doors closed. People move on to bigger and better things. I would expect more new faces than old faces.

[E-Flyer]

From what I understand their pilots were furloughed and not let go... shouldn't be hard to get their old guys back considering that it was apparently a good company to work for. Everybody seemed happy

Considering IF they get going again it will be two years since the doors closed. People move on to bigger and better things. I would expect more new faces than old faces.

No doubt in getting more new faces in there, but I was talking to a few of their older crews and many of them moved on to fantastic places like Emirates and Cathay... others were not so lucky and got on with carriers that when placed in comparison, were not necessarily better than Harmony. They were still some great companies to work for but then again, all companies have pro's and con's. Some like it one way, and others like it another way.

So I am sure there will be some old guys back, which is great cause they were really happy and had excellent attitudes !

Let's see what happens

[Doc]

[quote="jjj"]The problem for a little boutique airline is that there is no network to feed it.


Ward Air had a "boutique" airline going for a while. There will always be a place for top drawer service. It's something that's been missing from the "cattle car" method of transporting pax by air for several years now.
And the "network" that fed it was it's reputation.

[jjj]

Doc, good answer:

The problem for a little boutique airline is that there is no network to feed it.


Ward Air had a "boutique" airline going for a while. There will always be a place for top drawer service. It's something that's been missing from the "cattle car" method of transporting pax by air for several years now.
And the "network" that fed it was it's reputation.

Now to continue the debate....

First class service comes at a cost - there is no way around that. With the state of the economy how do you think a more expensive fare will compete to move the same bums in between the same airports.

As far as reputation goes - do you think that HMY's previous failure tarnishes their reputation?

Side note - I've always wondered how different Canadian aviation would be today if Wardair had been allowed to compete on a fair level. Many airlines may have never had the room to start up, WS included.

[jetdoc]

So once again I put the question out there - what will be different a bout HMY this time 'round?????

767 Vs 757
I Win!!!

I think they have a shot at this, if anyone can remember when Harmony first started up the plan was to go to China, at one point they had actually secured some landing rights. I think Mr Ho knows what he wants, but some one was blowing too much smoke up his a%$ and got him distracted into doing everything but what the original airline was supposed to be.

I think the market it huge in the pacific/asia and it would be great to see a Canadian airline in that market.

[E-Flyer]

So once again I put the question out there - what will be different a bout HMY this time 'round?????

767 Vs 757
I Win!!!

I think they have a shot at this, if anyone can remember when Harmony first started up the plan was to go to China, at one point they had actually secured some landing rights. I think Mr Ho knows what he wants, but some one was blowing too much smoke up his a%$ and got him distracted into doing everything but what the original airline was supposed to be.

I think the market it huge in the pacific/asia and it would be great to see a Canadian airline in that market.

Wasn't there something about a major revenue loss in the asian areas just like a few months ago? Can't remember if it was Cathay's reports or something.

Not sure if ASIA is getting any better either, the world is a Global Village ... love that quote ! Even European markets and aviation industry is getting hit from what I understand. Doubt it's a desperate time, but not sure if it's getting better any time soon. Wonder if the US elections will be powerful enough to tell?

[North Shore]

But there is probably enough of a market between Vancouver and China to support daily flights

Why start an airline, when you could just run buses across the Oak St Bridge and down #3 Road?

[Goose]

But there is probably enough of a market between Vancouver and China to support daily flights

Why start an airline, when you could just run buses across the Oak St Bridge and down #3 Road?

Zing!

[E-Flyer]

But there is probably enough of a market between Vancouver and China to support daily flights

Why start an airline, when you could just run buses across the Oak St Bridge and down #3 Road?

Best Reply To Date ! hahaha

[jetdoc]

But there is probably enough of a market between Vancouver and China to support daily flights

Why start an airline, when you could just run buses across the Oak St Bridge and down #3 Road?

Funny and true!

[YOWTXR]

So once again I put the question out there - what will be different a bout HMY this time 'round?????

767 Vs 757
I Win!!!

I think they have a shot at this, if anyone can remember when Harmony first started up the plan was to go to China, at one point they had actually secured some landing rights. I think Mr Ho knows what he wants, but some one was blowing too much smoke up his a%$ and got him distracted into doing everything but what the original airline was supposed to be.

I think the market it huge in the pacific/asia and it would be great to see a Canadian airline in that market.

It'd be nice to see a Canadian Airline in any market. We're quite limited to AC.