Training Bonds

Got a hot employment or interview tip to help a fellow aviator find a job or looking for a little job advice place your posting here.

Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, North Shore

Post Reply
alti2d
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 98
Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:08 am

Training Bonds

Post by alti2d »

Hi all. Like so many other people here, from what I can see, I sometimes wonder at the 'evil' of training bonds. So what's the big deal? That's what I ask. I read other people's answers and have come to my own opinions on the issue, which I will spare you. I apologize if this has already been posted, but ALPA has provided a very succinct outline of the reasons against training bonds. And so here it follows. This is taken from the Transport Canada website (http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/en/labour/employ ... ef11.shtml) and is a submission to the Federal Labour Standards Review Commission petitioning for a change to the Canada Labour Code.

Again, if this is in duplicate, or in the wrong forum, I do apologize... perhaps someone will (politely) correct me. And making this some sort of sticky might be beneficial as well. Constructive criticism and alternate points of view are, of course, welcome...


October 31, 2005
Submission to the Federal Labour Standards Review Commission by the Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA) Respecting proposed amendments to the Canada Labour Code, Part III

Summary
The Air Line Pilots Association, International (ALPA) raises two legislative gaps particularly affecting pilots:

Protection against training bonds and particularly against training bonds whose terms are overreaching and exploitative, and
Hours of work amendments that are tailored to societal norms and to the aviation industry.
ALPA recommends

That training bonds be prohibited. Alternatively, if training bonds are to be permitted, that they be subject to limitations reflecting only legitimate needs of the employer, and providing employee relief in the event of employer bankruptcy. To this end, ALPA puts forward recommendations already endorsed by the International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations.
That Labour Canada confers with aviation industry stakeholders to develop maximum hours of work protections as it has done for other transportation sectors.
Background/Implications
ALPA is a trade union representing the interests of pilots. ALPA represents over 2,000 pilots employed by five carriers in Canada. Internationally, ALPA represents 64,000 pilots at 41 airlines in the U.S. and Canada, and is a member of the International Federation of Air Line Pilots Associations (IFALPA). ALPA represents pilots in their employment relations, and is a key player in articulating policy concerns arising from this stewardship.

ALPA is concerned that the employment relationship and terms and conditions of employment embody public policy representing minimum standards, safety, and pilot professionalism.

In this brief, ALPA argues that the Canada Labour Code, Part III, lacks appropriate mechanisms to regulate and protect pilots in two key areas:

Training bonds
Hours of work
ALPA is further concerned that the absence of such protections undermines larger public policy goals set out in all three parts of the Canada Labour Code (free and effective rights to be represented by a trade union, minimum standards, and safety), and in the Canadian Aviation Regulations.

Issues
Training Bonds
1. The 2004 bankruptcy of JetsGo left large numbers of its pilots personally responsible for the payment of “training bonds” effectively imposed on them as a condition of employment and advancement.

2. “Training bonds” are performance bonds which commit pilots to forfeit a sum money—usually substantial--alleged to represent the cost of their training, where the pilot ceases to be employed for a minimum period of time.

3. Training bonds are common in Canada among smaller carriers and carriers whose employees lack union representation. They are a clear example of unequal terms of employment imposed on the most vulnerable members of the profession: typically young pilots, new hires, and those without representation.

4. The amounts at issue can be stunningly huge, the equivalent of a small mortgage. Media reports indicate that in the case of JetsGo, substantial numbers of pilots found themselves liable for sums of $30,000 or more. This at a time when they were thrown out of work.

5. The frank purpose of training bonds is coercion against employment mobility. Pilots subject to training bonds escape forfeiture only where they remain employed for a minimum period of time, often years. In effect, they create a form of indentured service.

6. Training bonds are typically required by employers at a time when the pilot is most vulnerable: young, inexperienced, and new in the profession. They are entered into in conditions in which bargaining power is most unequal: at the pre-employment phase as a condition of hire, and in companies whose employees lack effective representation.

7. The training bond arrangement typically requires a prospective new-hire to put up a sum of money subject to full or partial repayment where employment does not last a minimum period of time. Usually, this is in the form of a bank loan arranged by the employer prior to and as a condition of employment. Typically, the employer will make payments on the bond for its duration. However, where the pilot’s employment ends prior to the time-frame of the bond, he or she is individually liable to the bank for the balance.

8. The terms of training bonds are unilaterally set as a condition of hire. Because they are not negotiated, the terms are usually one-sided and often go beyond the legitimate needs and interests of employers. For example, the sums and duration of the bond may not reflect the employer’s actual training expenditure. And they may offload all of the risk of employment interruption onto the pilot, so that he or she remains liable even where wrongfully dismissed, laid off, or terminated as the consequence of a bankruptcy.

9. The existence of training bonds further tilts the employment relationship in the employer’s favour for their duration. Pilots under threat of forfeiture are less likely to take risks associated with incurring employer displeasure. They may be less likely to hold employers accountable for safety, putting the travelling public at risk. They may feel constrained in their free choice to seek union representation. In both these ways, training bonds generate effects contrary to the public interest.

10. It is generally understood that employees unhappy with their terms and conditions of employment have two options: “exit” (seeking alternate employment with more favourable terms) or “voice” (seeking mechanisms to articulate their interests, such as union representation). Effectively, pilots subject to training bonds have neither the real option of “exit” or “voice”.

11. Effectively, training bonds undermine the interests articulated in the Canada Labour Code, Part III. They typically contain terms which no employee would willingly enter into. Further, they perpetuate this dynamic for the duration of the bond.

12. Training bonds undermine the interests articulated in the Canada Labour Code, Part II: the fundamental freedom to seek representation by a trade union.

13. Finally, training bonds represent a check on the exercise of professional rights and obligations associated with safety under the Canadian Aviation Regulations.

14. ALPA argues that employers could realize the same goal of employment longevity through alternate strategies more in tune with the public interest: terms and conditions of employment (including seniority protections) which reward and encourage long service.

15. ALPA is opposed to training bonds for the reasons set out above. Our primary recommendation is that training bonds should be legislatively prohibited.

16. In the alternative, where employees or unions are compelled to negotiate training bonds with employers, the following protections should be applicable.

Any training bond

should apply only to initial type conversion of new entry pilots not already licensed on type;
should not exceed the actual direct cost incurred by the employer, proof of which should be provided by the employer;
should be amortized over a period of not more than three years with the bond reducing to zero at the end of the agreed period, which period should commence at the beginning of training;
should not be payable by a pilot who is furloughed, retrenched (retrenchment to include transfer to another company at the behest of the employer as part of any retrenchment or restructuring process and/or any operational reasons including liquidation), dismissed from the company or retired from the company, whether it be normal retirement or retirement on medical grounds;
where it becomes payable, should be paid over a negotiated period with interest, where applicable, not exceeding prime lending rate, and should, if possible, be paid in a tax efficient manner;
should be cancelled and regarded as null and void in the event of the company breaching the terms and conditions of employment.
And let the debates continue...
---------- ADS -----------
 
Clarence
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 88
Joined: Sat Sep 02, 2006 11:11 am
Location: Vanontpeg

Re: Training Bonds

Post by Clarence »

So you are looking for others thoughts on this without sharing your own, (" I read other people's answers and have come to my own opinions on the issue, which I will spare you") needless to say we already know most regular users possitions; pretty sure there will be alot of hot air wasted on it.

Havent we beaten this horse before ("And let the debates continue...")
---------- ADS -----------
 
Doc
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 9241
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 6:28 am

Re: Training Bonds

Post by Doc »

Image
---------- ADS -----------
 
alti2d
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 98
Joined: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:08 am

Re: Training Bonds

Post by alti2d »

I'm not looking for other thoughts on this to form my own opinion, I found ALPA's point of view and arguments against training bonds, and I decided to share their view on the issue because I think it summarizes the points of contention. Because I choose not to post my own point of view here is irrelevant. Yes, the topic is beaten to death, but what has the resolution been? People are still paying for the bonds, companies are still asking, so has there been a change? You tell me. It is a serious question, has there been a movement towards or away from training bonds?
---------- ADS -----------
 
Never Mind
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 107
Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:44 pm

Re: Training Bonds

Post by Never Mind »

If pilots get their money back, and companies conduct business in an ethical manner then there shouldn't be too much of a problem with a training bond.

Never Mind
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
LegoMan
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 596
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:37 pm

Re: Training Bonds

Post by LegoMan »

Right now with the industry slowed down and pilot looking for work, I dont think anyone cares about bonds. Everyone is just looking to find a seat before the music completely stops. Its easy for the older experienced pilots to say they would never do it. But I'm sure they have when they were young and inexperienced. If someone has been looking for work for half a year and finally found a company to take them, I dont think they are going to say no if a bond is required. They got mouths to feed too. Maybe if the guys at top would do something to help those on the bottom we wouldnt be discussing this issue further. In the meantime, pilots will be paying for work. Its sad but it is what it is.
---------- ADS -----------
 
atlanticflyer
Rank 0
Rank 0
Posts: 10
Joined: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:40 am

Re: Training Bonds

Post by atlanticflyer »

I havent heard of anyone NOT paying a Prom note or a bond.....Companies can come at you with full force if you dont pay...why risk it?
---------- ADS -----------
 
Post Reply

Return to “Employment Forum”