I wana start somthing in the bush !

This forum has been developed to discuss Bush Flying & Specialty Air Service topics.

Moderators: North Shore, sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, Rudder Bug

Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

I'm just about done my Cpl and would like to one day soon get a plane and become a commercial pilot with a plane. Is this crazy ? Any suggestions on what one thinks would be the best; a patrol aircraft like the American Champion, I love the scout, or a 185/206 to haul?

wheres the money @
---------- ADS -----------
 
KAFUFO
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 236
Joined: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:47 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by KAFUFO »

how much do you have to start with and how much are you willing to lose??

get some experiance operating befor you lose your shirt owning and operating.

my 2 cents
---------- ADS -----------
 
PA-18
Rank 2
Rank 2
Posts: 54
Joined: Tue May 01, 2007 1:58 pm
Location: in the trees

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by PA-18 »

get a small float plane and start minnow trapping. Privatly registered and maintained. Once you aquire the aircraft you'll only make money when you find the right location/market.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Cat Driver
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 18921
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Cat Driver »

get a small float plane and start minnow trapping. Privatly registered and maintained. Once you aquire the aircraft you'll only make money when you find the right location/market.
Excellent suggestion.
---------- ADS -----------
 
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no


After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
2R
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 4328
Joined: Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:25 pm
Location: left coast

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by 2R »

oops wrong bush :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
---------- ADS -----------
 
black hole
Rank 5
Rank 5
Posts: 370
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:10 pm
Location: Ontario
Contact:

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by black hole »

The best way to make a million in aviation; is to start with 2 million.

BH
---------- ADS -----------
 
Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

what about taking a wealthy pilot across canada to alaska in a Pa18 180 and do floats/tundra tires for $50,000 am i nuts ?


help me out here i need some insight
---------- ADS -----------
 
Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

oh ya; I checked out the the minnow trapping but with the way they split up the different lots for the trappers I would need to find out who owns the lots. The MNR doesn't give out the personal info of trappers nor maps of the lots. Once I have found out who owns the trapping rights for each lot I would then have to figure out which areas are air access only and whether or not they are being/have been harvested.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Driving Rain
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2696
Joined: Tue Feb 17, 2004 5:10 pm
Location: At a Tanker Base near you.
Contact:

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Driving Rain »

Swab wrote:oh ya; I checked out the the minnow trapping but with the way they split up the different lots for the trappers I would need to find out who owns the lots. The MNR doesn't give out the personal info of trappers nor maps of the lots. Once I have found out who owns the trapping rights for each lot I would then have to figure out which areas are air access only and whether or not they are being/have been harvested.
That's easy go buy some minnows in Kenora, Red Lake, Sioux Narrows, or Ignace. :roll:
---------- ADS -----------
 
Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

Tell me why is it that Avcanada has all these jokers! i've been reading some of the forums and anytime a young pilot has something they want to ask or is looking for some help they get some wise ass saying some dumb bullshit.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Cat Driver
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 18921
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Cat Driver »

what about taking a wealthy pilot across canada to alaska in a Pa18 180 and do floats/tundra tires for $50,000 am i nuts ?
Swab, maybe you could be more specific in your questions?

Are you asking if you could charge $50,000 for your flying services, if so who owns the airplane?

And if you really want to impress us you could learn how to use proper capitalization when you type.

Reading your questions it looks like you are in grade three.
---------- ADS -----------
 
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no


After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Tiny Voices
Rank 4
Rank 4
Posts: 281
Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 1:46 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Tiny Voices »

Hi Swab,

If you have your heart set on getting your own plane and working for yourself, have you looked into water sampling. No idea how one goes about getting a contract to do it but, you could research it with the MNR in Ontario.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

"Cat Driver"

Swab, maybe you could be more specific in your questions?

Are you asking if you could charge $50,000 for your flying services, if so who owns the airplane?

And if you really want to impress us you could learn how to use proper capitalization when you type.

Reading your questions it looks like you are in grade three.[/quote]

Is this some kind of sick joke ? You would rather criticize my punctuation and sentence structure than answer the question, which by the looks of things you understood. I thought the purpose of this forum was to discuss aviation, not demean others.

To answer your question, yes I would like to buy a plane and fly a rich guy across the country for 50,000usd.

I'm not looking for a fight with the joker remark I posted earlier, all I want is some advice but it's a little frustrating when all I'm getting is dumb replies. (see above from "cat Driver")
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Cat Driver
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 18921
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Cat Driver »

Where are you going to find a 180 HP. PA 18 on floats for $50,000 USD that is safe to fly?

If you think I am dumb then best disregard any advice I give you.
---------- ADS -----------
 
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no


After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

Cat Driver wrote:Where are you going to find a 180 HP. PA 18 on floats for $50,000 USD that is safe to fly?

If you think I am dumb then best disregard any advice I give you.

I didn't think you where dumb till now ! would someone out here tell the man what i'm trying to say! Oh wait I could ask the question in French because I am half frog.

I'm going to charge the "Rich Pilot" 50,000usd to fly across Canada to Alaska in my $200,000usd PA18 180? do u think there is a market for it ?
---------- ADS -----------
 
Just another canuck
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2083
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 6:21 am
Location: The Lake.

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Just another canuck »

You'd think the "rich pilot" would buy his own plane and pay someone to sit beside him. Seems like it would be a big waste of cash for him. For 50 grand, he's already a quarter way to the 200 grand plane you're talking about. Yeah, I'd say if you could blow 50 g's on a cross-country trip, you could just buy your own bird.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do.
So throw off the bowlines.
Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover.
User avatar
Cat Driver
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 18921
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Cat Driver »


I'm going to charge the "Rich Pilot" 50,000usd to fly across Canada to Alaska in my $200,000usd PA18 180? do u think there is a market for it ?
So you own a $200,000 USD Super Cub and you are asking if there is a market for your skills for the sum of $50,000 USD to fly someone to Alaska from Ontario?

Lets see...hmmm say 100 hours flight time, so you are asking for $500 USD per hour for your expertise as a pilot?

My answer is I don't think you would be worth that much.

Hell even with my qualifications I can't charge that much.
---------- ADS -----------
 
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no


After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
iflyforpie
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 8133
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:25 pm
Location: Winterfell...

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by iflyforpie »

I don't know, $500 per hour for the plane (including insurance, maintenance, hangarage, etc), fuel, and lodging doesn't sound all that astronomical. I don't think I would do it for any less if I was carrying any part of that $200,000 plane as debt.

But if I was rich and wanted to fly, I'd get someone to teach me how to fly and fly myself. A PA-18 is pretty cozy for two guys and gear.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
User avatar
Cat Driver
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 18921
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Cat Driver »

I don't know, $500 per hour for the plane (including insurance, maintenance, hangarage, etc), fuel, and lodging doesn't sound all that astronomical. I don't think I would do it for any less if I was carrying any part of that $200,000 plane as debt.
Would you not require an operating certificate for a commercial air service to charge for the airplane?

I understood the guy to be saying he wanted that much for his time, he said nothing about a commercial air service.
A PA-18 is pretty cozy for two guys and gear.
Yeh it takes some " stuff " management. We took the Husky to Oshkosh and on to Toronto and back to Vancouver last summer on wheels we were gone three weeks and it was fun...but it would have been nice to have had the floats on it for storing " stuff ".

By the way the flight time was 37 hours total.
---------- ADS -----------
 
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no


After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
iflyforpie
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 8133
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:25 pm
Location: Winterfell...

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by iflyforpie »

Cat Driver wrote:
Would you not require an operating certificate for a commercial air service to charge for the airplane?

I understood the guy to be saying he wanted that much for his time, he said nothing about a commercial air service.
AFAIK, 'officially', people can only offer to cover the incidental costs of such a trip, like fuel, meals, lodging, etc without an AOC. Otherwise it is a chisel charter and skirting the bounds of legality.

If he wanted to offer his services as a pilot, the person paying him must own the aircraft.



Yeh it takes some " stuff " management. We took the Husky to Oshkosh and on to Toronto and back to Vancouver last summer on wheels we were gone three weeks and it was fun...but it would have been nice to have had the floats on it for storing " stuff ".

By the way the flight time was 37 hours total.
Yeah I get spoiled in the 206, don't even come close to filling it with wife and two kids, gear, and full fuel. Faster than the Husky but I imagine nowhere near as fun (on wheels anyways). One day I'm going to have to take it a bit further but all the good weather coincides with our busy season.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
Swab
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 27
Joined: Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:51 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Swab »

Rich people don't care how much something costs; they want the experience! The wealthiest of people generally tend to buy/invest in the most extravagant things. Given the choice between a 3 day, $1000 per person fly-in fishing/hunting trip or a $50000 tour across the country they are more likely to chose the later because of the experience and bragging rights.
As for the OC I would first find a flight school or a outfitter that would be willing to put the aircraft on their OC. I would think if I'm able to find a clientèle willing to pay for this life time experience an outfitter would love to put me on the OC.

and Rich pilots dont want to buy a Pa 18 on floats the want the new piper jet or a citation
---------- ADS -----------
 
Just another canuck
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2083
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 6:21 am
Location: The Lake.

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Just another canuck »

Most rich people are also not stupid. Unless you win the lottery or inherit your fortune, it usually takes a few brains to get rich in the first place. So before someone forked out 50 g's to some pilot and his plane I would hazard to guess he may do a little research himself. And he/she would figure out they could have a license and a nice down payment on their own plane for the sum of money you're talking about. Then maybe, if they wanted an experienced pilot to sit next to them for this "life time experience", you may be lucky enough to sit next to them for their trip. However, my guess is they would want someone with slightly more time than a CPL grad.

Anyway, good luck with finding your clientele. I guess lots of rich people have also become lazy and it may just be easier to hire the trip. Personally, I think this is a pipe dream. Rich people also want reputable operators and I don't think you quite qualify there.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Twenty years from now you'll be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the things you did do.
So throw off the bowlines.
Sail away from the safe harbor.
Catch the trade winds in your sails.
Explore. Dream. Discover.
Lurch
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2043
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:42 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Lurch »

Swab wrote:Rich people don't care how much something costs; they want the experience! The wealthiest of people generally tend to buy/invest in the most extravagant things. Given the choice between a 3 day, $1000 per person fly-in fishing/hunting trip or a $50000 tour across the country they are more likely to chose the later because of the experience and bragging rights.
As for the OC I would first find a flight school or a outfitter that would be willing to put the aircraft on their OC. I would think if I'm able to find a clientèle willing to pay for this life time experience an outfitter would love to put me on the OC.
:smt044 :lol:

You obviously don't know many rich people, they didn't get there by throwing their money away.

Sorry not helpful but I think you need to cut back on the :smt033 and re-think this one

:shock:

Lurch
---------- ADS -----------
 
Take my love
Take my land
Take me where I cannot stand
I don't care
I'm still free
You cannot take the sky from me
User avatar
Cat Driver
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 18921
Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2004 8:31 pm

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by Cat Driver »

Rich people don't care how much something costs;

You obviously are completely out of touch with reality. Rich people became rich by not over paying for things.
They want the experience!
True but I assure you they will not want to trust their life to someone who doesn't have a clue about the trip you are describing, unless of course they are thrill seekers who like to expose them self to the risk of such an adventure with a neophyte .


By the way you are getting better with the typing..but you missed a few. :mrgreen:
---------- ADS -----------
 
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no


After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
iflyforpie
Top Poster
Top Poster
Posts: 8133
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2008 12:25 pm
Location: Winterfell...

Re: I wana start somthing in the bush !

Post by iflyforpie »

Swab wrote:
As for the OC I would first find a flight school or a outfitter that would be willing to put the aircraft on their OC. I would think if I'm able to find a clientèle willing to pay for this life time experience an outfitter would love to put me on the OC.
It takes a lot to put an aircraft onto an AOC and finding one guy with lots of money to throw away on one trip isn't going to convince too many operators to re-write their MCM, implement new training, and pay for a year's insurance for an aircraft. And even if they did and you became an employee, you think that they are going to let the new low time pilot take a gravy trip while everyone else is hauling fuel barrels and fish guts?

I've considered purchasing an aircraft to lease back to the company I currently work for. I've got several things going for me in that respect and I am still not sure it is a good idea. I'm a licensed AME, so I can buy a basket case for cheap and bring it up to commercial specs by myself before it is commercially registered. I am familiar with my company's operation and whether a plane will pay for itself on a lease before committing myself to buying one. And I have a few hours under my belt and know how it works in the cold dark reality of 702/703 ops.

I don't think anybody is trying to dump on you here (you need thick skin to be here on AVCANADA) but just trying to enlighten you to the realities of what you are considering.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Last edited by iflyforpie on Tue Dec 09, 2008 1:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Geez did I say that....? Or just think it....?
Post Reply

Return to “Bush Flying & Specialty Air Service”