Canjet info re: new cba

[slob driver]

Hi everybody. Just wondering what kind of pay raise and working condition improvements Canjet pilots received when they ratified their cba a few months ago. Thanks for the info

[C-MNOP]

Before the cba they were some of the lowest paid 737 pilots in the world. Now they are some of the lowest paid unionized 737 pilots in the world.

[SuperTroll]

I hope it's a good raise, talk about lowering the bar. According to airlinepilotcentral.com, right now a year 3 WestJet FO makes more than a year 3 Canjet Captain. Ouch.
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[skudrunner]

Sad but true....

[CAL]

sad but pathetic...how did it get a majority?

[True North]

Funny how quiet the Canjet boys are on this thread. Embarrassed?

[green bastard]

Give em a break. They have come along way, through a lot of hard work from many individuals. Baby steps at first. Congrats boys!

[Dim]

First rule of Fight Club is Don't talk about Fight Club. Second rule of Fight Club is dont talk about Fight Club.

[True North]

Give em a break. They have come along way, through a lot of hard work from many individuals. Baby steps at first. Congrats boys!

So, have they come a long way or is it baby steps? My guess is baby steps and you will never get far taking baby steps but that's all you will ever get out of Ken Rowe. As soon as you try and take a big step he'll shut it down again.

Still not seeing any details so I don't imagine there's much to brag about. Same old same old.

[verybadman]

Funny how quiet the Canjet boys are on this thread. Embarrassed?

You know your right., there’s nothing to brag about.

14-15 days off/month, 3 weeks vacation, salary range for a Capt. 90K-145K year after 10 years, 51K-75K as an FO (start salary better than WJ or AC I think?), no commuter pads, no 6 hour commute to YYC, or rat race commute to YYZ, no nasty AC gate agents to deal with other than when I am traveling as a Elite Aeroplan member and I get called up for my upgrade to J Class, 52 hour layovers in CUN, and Cuba, very efficient flying, great overtime pay, a fair dental and medical benefits package, very well maintained aircraft, a solid union in ALPA, knowing most everyone you fly with, and living in YHZ.

Those that are here, are here because we enjoy our jobs. We have enjoyed it (for the most part) since 2003. Many airlines have come and gone since CJ started. We are still here. And as long as its here, I'll be here, if that’s for 5 months or 5 years. We like it here, and the work conditions aren't maybe as good as some of you have it with your “sick if req'd" or "profit cheques".

I don't know what an FO in his third year at WJ makes, and maybe he/she does make more than I do as a Capt. at CJ. But since I don't want to be an FO at WJ (or WJ Capt., FA or WJ seat belt crosser), I don't care how much they make.

Its not perfect, but I like it here, most of us do and I/we have nothing to be embarrassed about. I hope you like it where you are too. Go rain on somebody’s else’s parade.

[tonysoprano]

I will give that a standing ovation. Well said, verybadman. As for the koolaid gang, grow up.

[CAL]

52 hours in Cuba!?....that could be trouble....

[mattedfred]

verybadman,

welcome to ALPA and congratulations on your fist CBA. i know the contract administrator worked very hard throughout the entire process and i imagine that your negotiating team did as well. career paths in this industry are a not always clearly laid out and i respect your decision to make the best of your situation. that's really what all of us are trying to do.

[slob driver]

Hi there verybadman,

Thanks for the information. It sounds like you guys and girls did well on your first cba. I was curious how you did, but hadn't seen any info in regards to your new agreement.
As a fellow 737 pilot (for the seat belt crossing airline), I think that it's important to be aware of what everyone's wages and working conditions are out there. In the end we have more similarities than differences in our professional lives, regardless of what uniform we put on in the morning, be it CJ, AC, WJ, Jazz, Transat, Sunwing etc. etc.

Take care and safe flying

P.S. One of you Canjet guys/girls should update your Airlinepilotcentral.com stats to reflect more accurate information

[True North]

verybadman,

Good for you. I'm glad you're happy where you are, everybody should be because life's too short. Me? I've been very happily retired for some time now, after a very successful career. Although I'm out of the game I'm still very interested in what's going on because I still have friends and family in it. I've watched this industry self destruct over the last few years and I think it's really too bad for those who are still hoping to make a career out of it.

So let's examine a bit of what you are not embarrassed about. Captain's making $90 - $145k after 10 years. Correct me if I'm wrong but no one is at the top of your scale. So what does a senior captain make $110? Maybe $115? 14 or 15 days off, but what is the guarantee? 12? 10? A whopping 3 weeks vacation? Are you kidding me?? You're proud of your 52 hour layover in Cuba and in the next breath tell us how "very efficient" your flying is. Bit of a disconnect there wouldn't you say? Somehow I think if your 52 hours was in Charlo or even Toronto you wouldn't think it was so efficient.

You're right about one thing, airlines have come and gone, Canjet among them. You're comment about Canjet being around for 5 months or 5 years is very prophetic. Knowing Ken Rowe as well as I do, I hope for your sake you're preparing for something else in that time frame.



tonysoprano,

If your thoroughly unoriginal "koolaid gang" comment was for me, you're way off target. Never worked there but I will admit I have a great deal of respect for what they have accomplished and continue to do in these very challenging times. They continue to raise the bar while Air Canada slumps and Canjet cements the bottom.

But hey, that's just one outsider's view.

[tonysoprano]

tonysoprano,

If your thoroughly unoriginal "koolaid gang" comment was for me, you're way off target. Never worked there but I will admit I have a great deal of respect for what they have accomplished and continue to do in these very challenging times. They continue to raise the bar while Air Canada slumps and Canjet cements the bottom.

But hey, that's just one outsider's view.

The topic is contracts. You know a little about Canjet to compare to WJ, but what do you know about AC's contract? Or Transat? Or Skyservice? Are you able to actually compare the full details of all these contracts with WJ's? How can you be certain they are raising the bar? As an outsider, I'm willing to bet you haven't the slightest clue what a good contract really is these days. Probably not as good as the one you use to have but here's news for you. Those days are gone. Yep, even mine's not as good as it use to be. Still, I wouldn't trade it with anyone's.

['79K20driver]

[/quote]
I'm willing to bet you haven't the slightest clue what a good contract really is these days. Probably not as good as the one you use to have but here's news for you. Those days are gone. Yep, even mine's not as good as it use to be. Still, I wouldn't trade it with anyone's.[/quote]
Attitudes like this are just the reason we're getting nowhere "these days". Can you believe that guys made 60k in the right seat of a 27 in 1980? It's pathetic what has become acceptable these days. Those days are gone, eh? Why exactly? Other trades have not seen such a decline. Of course its no wonder when they're all charging for everything accept the pretzels to make up for bus fair ticket prices!

[tonysoprano]

Those days are gone, eh? Why exactly? Other trades have not seen such a decline. Of course its no wonder when they're all charging for everything accept the pretzels to make up for bus fair ticket prices!

To answer your question would involve a lengthy summary of what's happened in our industry since the '70s. It hasn't been an easy ride. Canada has lagged behind but all in all I don't see anybody quitting.

[verybadman]

TrueNorth

In one breath you congrat me about being happy with my decisions and in the next you join in and throw stones.

You know over the years I have heard all the "advice" from my peers. Those at are CJ have made a conscience decision to be here knowing all the same information (and more) than you do about KR and his business model. I/we choose not to move all over this country chasing the carrot at AC or WJ. I could care less about how successful everyone’s else's careers have/are progressing because I do not judge "my" success by the success of others.

As for your CJ facts:

CJ wages will never be AC wages. We know that.

14-15 days off is acceptable to me. I fail to see your argument.

CJ pilots have credit for time since day 1 in 2000. Many pilots are at 8-9 year scale.

3 weeks Vacation is to start; 5 weeks is max.

52hrs in CUN is acceptable when 90% of flying is 8hrs+/day. Those that do the long CUN/VRA layovers bid them willing to sacrifice efficiency for a little all-inclusive perk on a sandy beach sipping from a cute little umbrella drink. And if Pina Colada's surf side aren't your thing, don't bid it. That’s our pref-bid system. If the 52 hrs was in YYZ, I wouldn't bid for it.

As for my $$ future prep, come on Bro...I didn't just fall off the turnip truck. My rental properties that I can afford to own/operate here in YHZ will help me along should the doors close here again. I too hope you have some cabbage stuffed away in a matress or cookie jar somewhere rather not just rather in some dwindling pension fund.

And for your AC and WJ comments...AC is still the best traveling product available in Canada.

WJ is successful, and I am happy for those (many friends too) that will reap the rewards there. I wish them every continued success. However, in my opinion, its not the best product, but for now its the certainly most successful one. The WJ folks do a great job, but I prefer the AC product any day.(Try flying YHZ-YVR on WJ compared to the same route on AC. I would take the AC flip any time).

Many of us had opportunities earlier in our careers to follow the AC or WJ path. We made the choice to stay in the Maritimes. I have never regretted my decision.

Enjoy your retirement years, I am sure you've earned it. But again, go rain on someone’s else's parade.

[SuperTroll]

Verybadman,
Congrats on the new contract. If what you say is true then I guess I retract my earlier statment about the 3rd year WJ FO. Bottom feeding companies hurt all professional pilots and by the sounds of it, Canjet isn't one of then anymore. Put the new details on airlinepiltocentral.com so everybody can see the gain you guys have made.

Now all we need to do is get a decent contact for the Sunwing guys and we are in good shape!

[Four1oh]

I will give that a standing ovation. Well said, verybadman. As for the koolaid gang, grow up.

I assume that's a WJ reference... as usual. How many of the guys posting are WJ, Tony?

[tonysoprano]

I will give that a standing ovation. Well said, verybadman. As for the koolaid gang, grow up.

I assume that's a WJ reference... as usual. How many of the guys posting are WJ, Tony?

Yes buddy it would appear that now some of the non owners are drunk too. Hey I was just going by the general attitude of late. Waiting on a denial response or no, wait a minute, the 'both sides do it' response. Don't have time to play now. I,m going a flight far, far away to get some sanity. Ba Bye.

[Four1oh]

I wish you luck finding your sanity.

[Rotten Apple #1]

Way to go verybadman. The Maritimes deserves to have those good paying jobs.

[tonysoprano]

I wish you luck finding your sanity.

I am happy to report sanity was indeed found. Unfortunately it disappeared again upon arrival in YYZ.