Safety pilots wanted

[High Flyin]

I'm looking for pilots in Ottawa area to split the cost of operation on a twin comanche. I'd be flying into IMC and doing even night or day cross countries. Don't miss this great chance to be a safety pilot and gain experaince on a twin engine plane. Contact me via PM with your intrest and availability. I can tell you more about the plane and other details then.

[Invertago]

Good way to fill up the "safety pilot" column in your log book at half cost too!

[Rowdy]

Are you kidding me?

You had better be splitting the PIC time if you're splitting the cost

[Nark]

Only by if you meant Ottawa County, OH then you could both log PIC.

[Cap'n P8]

Now I've seen it all! You have to be kidding right? How about you pay them, since they are doing you a service and not the other way round.

[pika]

Does this amazing offer come with a sweepa?

[bob sacamano]

You got yourself a deal!

[Never Mind]

I'm looking for pilots in Ottawa area to split the cost of operation on a twin comanche. I'd be flying into IMC and doing even night or day cross countries. Don't miss this great chance to be a safety pilot and gain experaince on a twin engine plane. Contact me via PM with your intrest and availability. I can tell you more about the plane and other details then.

Poor Jon Daly,

You may have to modify your offer a little bit.

Never Mind

[High Flyin]

Wow you guys need to relax. It was an offer. Thought it would be a learning experai
nce and a nice way to meet people. Apperently I was way off. The only reason I said "safety pilot" was because I can't legal rent out the plane and I had no other words to describ it. The only time you would pay is when your PIC which you could log. I said ask for details for a reason.

[Cat Driver]

Wow you guys need to relax. It was an offer. Thought it would be a learning experaince and a nice way to meet people.

Don't let a few people ruin your enthusiasm.

Apperently I was way off. The only reason I said "safety pilot" was because I can't legal rent out the plane and I had no other words to describ it.

If you own the airplane you can rent it to anyone for what ever price you wish to charge, there is no law that forbids rental of an airplane.

The only time you would pay is when your PIC which you could log. I said ask for details for a reason.

Once again htere is nothing in the regulations to prevent you from renting your airplane...

The Twin Comanche is a marvelous little toy, if you own one you are light years ahead of those who are belittling your offer.

[Doc]

John...I did a safety pilot gig when I was in Florida for a few months several years back. Three student pilots (multi-IFR) rented an Aztec and each "donated" 25$ an hour to have me sit in the right seat and mentor them. I was NOT acting as an instructor. I simply set up training scenarios for them as they were able to log PIC time. The whole thing was their idea. We met in a bar, and came up with this idea over several cold frosty beers. BTW, the renter dropped the rental rate by 40$ an hour after he met with us and was assured I would fly his baby home if things ever got over the heads of the students. Really a good deal for all.

[High Flyin]

Wow you guys need to relax. It was an offer. Thought it would be a learning experaince and a nice way to meet people.

Don't let a few people ruin your enthusiasm.

Apperently I was way off. The only reason I said "safety pilot" was because I can't legal rent out the plane and I had no other words to describ it.

If you own the airplane you can rent it to anyone for what ever price you wish to charge, there is no law that forbids rental of an airplane.

The only time you would pay is when your PIC which you could log. I said ask for details for a reason.

Once again htere is nothing in the regulations to prevent you from renting your airplane...

The Twin Comanche is a marvelous little toy, if you own one you are light years ahead of those who are belittling your offer.

Thanks. I know there is no law its just when I sign to rent my space one area they make me sign is that I will not be running a Commercial business and I had asked them specifically if I could do that before when I was going to rent out my Cessna 172 and they said no. I have to admit though I'm still shocked that so many people jumped the gun on this though. I have low multi hours and an instructor is to much and I don't feel comfortable flying IMC single pilot with a multi engine before I know I am completely competent. As they say...You only realize how little you know when its to late.

[Cat Driver]

I have to admit though I'm still shocked that so many people jumped the gun on this though.

I'm not, aviation seems to attract a lot of self righteous ego driven minimum IQ people, so just ignore a lot of the comments you will get when posting here.

I have low multi hours and an instructor is to much and I don't feel comfortable flying IMC single pilot with a multi engine before I know I am completely competent.

Which makes you several levels above some of the winners that post there, that is the sign of someone who will live long enough to die of old age.

As they say...You only realize how little you know when its to late.

Except if you slam into something flying in IMC, then you won't have time to realize fu.k all.

All the best and keep thinking that way.

Cat:

[Niteflyer]

Safety Pilot?
Are you implying that you need someone in the other seat to keep you safe? And what happens when your Safety Dude wants to take control because you are in the death spiral?
This one of those golden opportunities to avoid...run away....
Do us a favor and take the bus.

[Cat Driver]

Safety Pilot?
Are you implying that you need someone in the other seat to keep you safe?

Here is why he wants a " safety pilot".

I have low multi hours and an instructor is to much and I don't feel comfortable flying IMC single pilot with a multi engine before I know I am completely competent. As they say...You only realize how little you know when its to late.

Sounds to me like the guy is smart enough to want to learn how to become comfortable flying IFR by having someone else with him as he learns the system and how to become competent.

Do us a favor and take the bus.

Would you be kind enough to explain why someone wanting to learn should quit flying and take a bus?

[SAR_YQQ]

I'll sit in your right seat - do I need a license? I don't really want to pay to do it, but I can certainly lend you some IFR tips and tricks. Heck, I'll even write down the clearances for you.

Good luck - if you want some tips before u go flying, shoot some of us a message.

[Rowdy]

I had you pegged the wrong way. Sorry if I came off the wrong way... All too often however there are people trying to screw up and coming young "new" commercial pilots. I wish you all the best in finding an experienced ifr driver to sit with you on the occasional flight and lend some tips and advice and help out should things go too far. Would be a good way for someone thats just about to upgrade to the left seat to gain some valuable multi PIC, while helping you out.

Never hurts to have a second set of eyes and ears

Cheers

[...]

So...I'm interested.

I'll fly with you. I didn't read the details but you'd want a pilot to fly with you to some WARM destination?

Sure, I'm in. I work for beer, steaks and Cuban cigars...and a ticket (on a commercial airplane) back home to where I live.

PM me if interested. I tell a good tale and have been told I have a great sense of humour.

one more thing...parties seem to find ME

[Cap'n P8]

First of all,

Cat Driver said,

"I'm not, aviation seems to attract a lot of self righteous ego driven minimum IQ people, so just ignore a lot of the comments you will get when posting here."

His initial post came off as dubious at best. We called him on it, then the story changed. You also made an assumption that he was talking about his own airplane...which he wasn't. Please explain what any of that might have to do with self righteousness or ego?

Second,

What he posted at first sounded like BS. The definition of a safety pilot, is a licenced pilot who sits in the airplane to keep a visual lookout to allow the other pilot to be able to log instrument time in visual conditions. This comes from TC by the way. And asking someone to split the cost of renting while they're doing you a favour and not getting any time out of it is not right.

So he clarified what he meant. Better, but I still have to say that he is renting from a school and it's under their insurance. If something were to happen when the other pilot is flying (the one the FTU knows nothing about), because you did say afterward that you were sharing the PIC time right, then you might be in some legal trouble (if you're not dead). Oh and how is the other guy or gal going to log PIC time if their name isn't going in the logbook, because you did mention that you were sort of hiding this from the place where you are renting from.

I actually commend you for saying that you would feel more comfortable with someone else coming along for the ride. I just don't think you should be 'selling' this as an opportunity for someone else as a time building opportunity. Not unless they get approved by whoever you are renting from. Then by all means split the costs.

[Cat Driver]

aaahhh, yes.....

I made the mistake of assuming the airplane was his..........so if it is a rental then the logging of time becomes a little more complex.

[Cap'n P8]

Man that was quick Cat I figured 10 minutes for the reply!

[Cap'n P8]

To the original poster John,

It really sounds like what you're looking for is a mentor and there is nothing wrong with that. I am sure there are lot's of experienced people who would gladly lend you their experience (and don't care about logging the time) to get out and go for a flight without charging you for their time. But they probably wouldn't pay you for the privilege...unless you were going to Florida or something (then they might help you with the gas! )

[Cat Driver]

Man that was quick Cat I figured 10 minutes for the reply!

It's still early and I am waiting for the pellet stove in my garage to get the temp. up so I can go work on my Cub wing.

[Doc]

Safety Pilot?
Are you implying that you need someone in the other seat to keep you safe? And what happens when your Safety Dude wants to take control because you are in the death spiral?
This one of those golden opportunities to avoid...run away....
Do us a favor and take the bus.

He's intelligent enough to know his limitations. Something everybody should become intimately familiar with. If some knew when they were working (flying) outside their comfort/skill envelope, we'd have far fewer accidents/incidents.

If you have a warm destination, I'll work for beer and New York steaks as well!

[High Flyin]

Sorry if I got the definition of a "safety pilot" wrong. No hard feelings I hope. As for the plane, the plane is mine. I would own it, insure it and take care of it. What I said I couldn't do is rent it out because when I sign to have it based at an airport when section they make me sign is the release that I won't use it for commercial business so therefore I couldn't rent my plane out. I could however go up with people and give them total control and have them log it as PIC and I'm just the passenger there learning. Again, please excuse me I'm not explaining this correctly. I'm not in the game of ripping people off. I just want to be as safe as possible, keep everyone else safe and become as proficient as possible while meeting new contacts and people.

He's intelligent enough to know his limitations. Something everybody should become intimately familiar with. If some knew when they were working (flying) outside their comfort/skill envelope, we'd have far fewer accidents/incidents.

If you have a warm destination, I'll work for beer and New York steaks as well!

Thanks. Well I am open to flying all the way to Miami, Florida for the weekend on occasion haha.