roasted engines?...

magellan · Post by **magellan** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:35 am

heard from a pilot in Fort St. John that a NT air 200 was going into cranbrook and took on 4 inches of ice. Also heard they roasted their engines trying to keep the plane above treetops. Anyone know more about this?

Pugster · Post by **Pugster** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:33 pm

Heard the same story...overtorqued for 20mins just trying to keep the machine level.

Must have been fun.

. . · Post by **. .** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 12:52 pm

they had to descend below moca to maintain level. apparently some jazz plane was using it's wx radar to help keep track of them through the valleys. it's gotta be some pretty serious ice for a be-200 not to be able to maintain altitude. Anyone have more info?

Guest 1969 · Post by **Guest 1969** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:58 pm

Sounds like they made it in, can just amagine what the pilots were going through. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Boeing Driver · Post by **Boeing Driver** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 7:18 am

Been there and done that in a Navajo over the rocks. Not fun!
We didn't kill the engines, but we had an engine failure very shortly after.
Not a nice feeling.

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:31 am

I do know the details but can't really comment until it becomes public, sorry guys.
I will send out my best wishes and gratitude to the pilots and paramedics who went through what I'm sure was a harrowing experience in the line of duty to our patients in B.C.

Airtids · Post by **Airtids** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 9:46 pm

If this happened the day I'm thinking about: JEEEEZUS!!! That was one hell of a day

. Certainly not a prop or even a rotor turning that day (Monday or Tuesday?). We had about an inch of FZRA on the ground, wx below IFR, all Jazz flights cancelled for the day. Nothing more terrifying than flying a machine that is rapidly turning into a block and knowing that regardless of WHICH engines you've got strapped on, nothing's gonna keep that thing in the air in a few minutes. Hoping beyond hope that you can get on the ground, or get away from the conditions before the inevitable happens. My respect and sympathies to those involved. Most likely some pretty good flying (or horseshoes) to get a favorable outcome from the conditions we saw here

.

I'll tell you a story here in the hopes that some new, young, bulletproof pilot can learn from my mistake. Several years ago, when I was young and dumb (as opposed to middle-aged and ignorant like now

) I was tasked with flying the Provincial budget to various towns, and our particular route was CYYJ-Rupert-Terrace-Ft.St John-?-CYYJ. There was -FZRA on the ground at 06:30 in Vic, but we departed anyways in a Chieftain. It was all we could do to finally climb on top, full power, Vy, and barely scratching through. Man was I happy to see the blue sky above, as I had probably left it too long to turn around and get back to Vic, or go NRST. We proceeded to Rupert, getting the ice to sublimate as much as we could enroute, and I'll be the first to tell you, I was NOT looking forward to dropping in again for the approach. We held our altitude as late as we could in order to expedite our time through the conditions and keep our speed up until we could get on the ground (I know about speed, wing shape, droplet size etc. affecting catch rate, but I did what I thought was best under the conditions). Definitely one of those head-shaking moments. When we got back at the end of the day, our boss thanked us for doing a great job, and then made it clear in no uncertain terms that no way in hell would he have attempted that flight, and if he'd been at the airport, we wouldn't have had attempted it either. Learned a very valuable lesson that day.

Now a question: I came to understand tha FZRA was considered severe icing, and that NO aircraft was approved for dispatch into severe icing conditions. Boots, heated props, heated leading edges, etc. are all approved only for flight in light to moderate icing conditions. Am I mistaken?

Dusty 3 · Post by **Dusty 3** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 11:57 pm

It wasn't Monday or Tuesday.

T.C. · Post by **T.C.** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:28 am

Any updates yet to the 200 story?

Capt · Post by **Capt** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 10:35 am

all true, herd from one of the pilots through a friend. roasted only one engine, and ex-westex crew flying. good piloting to get the thing on the ground, good to hear everyone is okay.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 11:21 am

Airtids wrote: Now a question: I came to understand tha FZRA was considered severe icing, and that NO aircraft was approved for dispatch into severe icing conditions. Boots, heated props, heated leading edges, etc. are all approved only for flight in light to moderate icing conditions. Am I mistaken?

You are totally correct

By definition severe icing is icing that accumulates faster than anti/deicing can keep up. No aircraft is approved for flight into severe icing

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 11:54 pm

Nice work K-Paxian desendant