Date:24 January 2009
Position:Dock Hand
Company Name:***********
Contact Person:Mark ********
Street Address:P.O. *****
City:*******
State/Province:Ontario
Country:Canada
Web address: http:********.com
Email address: *******@*******
Phone number:(807)***-****
Send Resume By: Email
Job Description:
Jobs duties will include loading, fueling, and readying the planes at the beginning of each day and before each flight. Other duties include basic yard maintenance and help with the basic day to day operations of the airbase. The ideal candidate will be willing to take part in a fifty hour bush course, where they will be training on a Cessna 180.
Salary:$Negotiable
Closing Date:15 February 2009
WHAT A JOB OFFER, WOW, I WISH I COULD QUALIFY!!!
Please excuse me, gotta rush to the washroom.
RB
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The candidate should be willing to take part in a 50hr 'bush course' all right!! AND NOT PAY A FU&$!ng dime for it! Thats what working your butt off on the dock and around the yard doing a job a school kid could do earns you!
Salary: How about a wage plus some riding around in the 180 teaching your up and coming pilot how you want them to treat your plane and passengers??!!! The harder they work, the more 180 time they get?!! (Christ, do it on the return leg of a trip, at least it is paid for!)
When I got hired at my current job I had to be willing to take part in a 2 week groundschool and 2 weeks of sim training. My expenses were all paid, there was food in my crap factory and my bank account got chubby.
So you're not willing to "take part" in a 50 hour float program? COME ON!!
These guys are on the ball by mocking the fact that the phraseology indicates there are certain important details left untold. It's the truth on paper, no doubt, but it's not the whole story. Initial 'bush training' is sort of assumed as part of the job for a dockhand, similar to your type training. Stating it twice does little but raise eyebrows. On the other hand, it's half decent of the employer to post it in the way they did... they'll get what they pay for. I had a really positive opinion of the joint in question too- they had a really nice article published in Canadian Aviator a few years ago, guess times change.
Looks like last year was a pilot's market peak, so everyone on the rollercoaster put your hands up and say "Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
Initial 'bush training' is sort of assumed as part of the job for a dockhand, similar to your type training.
God dammit I got reallly screwed when I started flying in the bush because I didn't get the the opportunity of being trained as a dock hand......should I go back and start all over so I can really be a bush pilot?
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Cat you started flying the bush when it was still wild, where you could say "Yeah, I'm a bush pilot" and not have to look at yourself funny in the mirror of your crew house which has hot running water and a fridge with steaks in it at the end of the day. The ad in question isn't so much for a bush pilot as it is for a guy who's likely going to dabble in floats for a year or three before signing off to fly a computer.
We post job ads from most employers, including ones who require money in advance for aircraft training. In practise it's the same thing as what this employer is doing, so yes, it is a job ad - and I appreciate the employer letting us know their terms in advance - the more you know about a job, the easier you can make a decision about whether or not you want to work there.
How much is the 50 hour course going to cost the person who takes it?
Some more questions:
Is there no one left who just wants to fly bush planes for a living anymore?
Is my friend Randy Hanna making a mistake starting a school for bush pilots, or is he on to something that will have a steady flow of students because bush flying is just another stepping stone to the video game job?
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
Cat Driver wrote:Is my friend Randy Hanna making a mistake starting a school for bush pilots, or is he on to something that will have a steady flow of students because bush flying is just another stepping stone to the video game job?
i think this sounds like a great idea. i just went and did the minimum required by TC to obtain my float rating. some flying clubs did offer 'bush courses' at the time but i was broke and couldn't afford to pay for them. i'm glad that i pursued float flying rather than instructing so maybe another bush pilot school would be beneficial.
Me thinks this company is Georgian bay airways ,,, To enlist in a bush pilot course ( Pay money) AND to be a go boy with the hopes of doing some "training" after you get your ticket is not my ticket to nirvana !! Who wants to be taught bush flying by a young kid fresh out of Toronto with a still wet float endorsement on a plane that he just learned to fly a month ago under controlled conditions ??
i think this sounds like a great idea. i just went and did the minimum required by TC to obtain my float rating. some flying clubs did offer 'bush courses' at the time but i was broke and couldn't afford to pay for them. i'm glad that i pursued float flying rather than instructing so maybe another bush pilot school would be beneficial.
I also think it is a great idea for the simple reason that Randy actually knows the subject and will turn out a product that knows something.
I had planned on starting exactly the same thing when I retired but it was not possible because TC would not allow me to hold a Canadian AOC.
They even made it impossible for me to teach sea plane flying with an existing school.
For sure I would not want to be seen anywhere near Randy's new venture for fear they would make his new venture unworkable.
Kanada is just about at the level of an African country when it comes to how the regulator works, except Kanada's bureaucrats get paid well enough they don't have to rely on bribe money to live...but I'm betting some would not be above taking it if you had enough to offer.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
this scumbag operator needs to hire a pilot or a dockhand. one or the other! dont take this job boys or you will be gettin spit roasted every night by the owner and his buddies deliverance style. without lube!
Job Description:
Jobs duties will include loading, fueling, and readying the planes at the beginning of each day and before each flight. Other duties include basic yard maintenance and help with the basic day to day operations of the airbase. The ideal candidate will be willing to take part in a fifty hour bush course, where they will be training on a Cessna 180.
Salary:$Negotiable
Closing Date:15 February 2009
Before one can determine this operator is a scum bag one would first have to fully understand what the operator is actually offering...read the part in red.
Maybe it is an excellent opportunity for some young person to get their start in aviation.
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The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
what is the difference between this operation and the FTU/FBO that allows the fueler with a PPL to use overtime hours towards the rental of one of their aircraft so he can build time for his CPL?
what are the options for a guy wanting to build float time?
1. get checked out on someones float plane and rent it for 50 hours
2. pay for a 'bush course' at one of the FTUs with float planes
3. go to confed
4. get a non-flying job for a float operation where they agree to check you out on the aircraft and let you log some time
I guess the question is. Are they supplying the 50 hour course for working for them or are they asking someone to come work for them AND pay for a 50 hour course. Also after the 50 hour course will you be upgraded to pilot at least part time? Finally salary. Those are the important questions to be asking here. Once you get the answers to those you can call them a scumbag or or not.
Why would they mention a 50hr course, if it was going to be provided?? They would add it to the list of duties. This is an add for a "DOCKBOY JOB"
This might look a little more enticing for a pilot who has not finished their CPL yet, and can incorporate the 50 hrs into the 200TT. (A costly add-on) I'm curious as to what kind of rates the individual will get for dual time in the 180. This would add thousands to the cost of training. The up-side I guess, is that if all works out, you end up with a float-flying job.
This is a lot different than an FBO allowing a PPL to use overtime hours for time building, which would be "optional" & not a "condition for being hired"..
We post job ads from most employers, including ones who require money in advance for aircraft training. In practise it's the same thing as what this employer is doing, so yes, it is a job ad - and I appreciate the employer letting us know their terms in advance - the more you know about a job, the easier you can make a decision about whether or not you want to work there.
With all due respect, Sully, it's only "the same" if the 50 hour course is part of a training program to fly their airplane. Money in advance for training (Doc, don't get started!) is NOT the same as "you can come sweep the floor, but you have to take my bush course to do it... and you probably won't fly it commercially for me." If you want "the same", this is a flight school advertising their 50-hr course, and you can do yard work on the side to help pay for it. Let's call it what it is.
Now you have to put money up front to fix a dock?? Shame on them!
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