It seems my instructor doesn't really know:

Note I'm flying a 172 and don't have my CPL yet. I'm wondering where to write my hours for both the PTR (Pilot Training Record) and logbook.


1. using a flight simulator with an instructor

PTR: Training Time - Dual? and/or Instrument - Flight Training Device?
logbook: Single Engine - Dual? and/or Instrument - Flight Sim?

2. a checkout ride in order to rent planes at a flight training unit other than the one I usually use. (the instructor entered hours in my logbook as both Single Engine - Dual and PIC)

PTR: Training Time - Dual? and/or Solo?
logbook: Single Engine - Dual? and/or PIC?

3. flying with an examiner for the actual flight test

PTR: Training Time - Dual? and/or Solo?
logbook: Single Engine - Dual? and/or PIC?


Thank you. I'm trying to add up my hours, but don't know what counts as what.

What?? how does your instructor NOT know how did they log it during their training? where's the CFI???

Now to answer the questions

1. the Sim is SIM time not dual or PIC, log it only under the sim in both books leave everthing else blank. The Flight Training devise is the name it is certified under, check the Sim's certificate.

2. A check-out is the same as any other dual flight you have done so far in your training, Dual Only in both books

3. Flight Test, you are PIC, the examiner is a passenger (check the exemptions under the Student Pilot Permit, and Flight test guide)

What you log in your PTR is the same as your Personal Logbook, same columns in both books they just looks differant.

Edited to add: PIC and Solo are the same thing

Lurch

keep in mind that your ptr times must match your logbook times

Lurch wrote: 1. the Sim is SIM time not dual or PIC, log it only under the sim in both books leave everthing else blank. The Flight Training devise is the name it is certified under, check the Sim's certificate.

Just to add to that. When you add up your total time, SIM time it is not added to total time. ie. If you have 50 flight hours you could have 100 hours SIM but your total time is still 50 hours.

P.S. Give your instructor a slap upside the head!

Yes keep your Logbook up to date! And your PTR should be kept up to date as well! DO NOT LET THEM FALL BEHIND! Your logbook and PTR should be the same and both should be the same as the aircraft logbook in terms of time. IE a 0.8 in the aircraft logbook for flight time has to be the same in both. Take your time and be careful with the paper work.

If your Instructor tells you that you do not need to keep your personal logbook up to date, BS! You should do it from flight one day one.

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Seriously,

I don't care if your instructor is only a class 4, if he doesn't know how to properly fill out a PTR, or how to properly instruct you on how to fill out your logbook, then it's time for a new instructor, and I mean now, before he teaches you too many bad habits. I'd set up an appointment with the CFI immediately as one of the other posters indicated.

Also, and I'm not sure this is the case, you should not be filling out your PTR, that's the instructor's job - it says so right in the CARS, probably because TC has had to figure through too many chicken-scratch PTRs trying to issue licences. You should be filling out the logbook, and at the end of everything they should match, so try to be sure of what is going into the PTR is matching what is going into your logbook.

In any case, it's your money you're spending on flight training, don't accept incompetence or delinquency of an instructor who is having a hard time with even the fundamentals of bookkeeping, after all, one would assume he filled out his own logbook for at least 2-300 hrs before instructing you, if they havn't learned by now, then you might be in for a long ride.

x3 on talking to the schools CFI, someone needs their pee pee smacked; and actually to be honest I kinda think the CFI should get a bit of a smack too as in all reality she/he should be taking a peruse through the schools PTRs once a week or so and if they hadn't already caught the knowledge gap by now something is a miss....

Foray wrote:It seems my instructor doesn't really know:

Change the instructor. Find someone who knows. Really shocking if you ask me. How did your instructor log his/her time when he/she was doing their training?

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[quote="200hr Wonder"] Your logbook and PTR should be the same and both should be the same as the aircraft logbook in terms of time. IE a 0.8 in the aircraft logbook for flight time has to be the same in both. quote]

The aircraft journey log only needs to record air time. Chances are it will not match the flight time in your logbook.

Yes but if its an FTU they need to keep track of FT via dispatch sheets... and if your already calculating all the numbers why the hell wouldn't you put FT in the journey log as well just for good measure?

Because there is no legal need to.

It's interesting to note that there is NO such thing as
a "journey log" in the USA. One wonders how they
get any flight training done?

because its not required. I'm not saying that it isn't a good idea, i'm just saying that it is not required and it doesn't have to match the PTR and logbook. However, if there is a large discrepency between the air time in the journey log and the flight time in the personal logbook it might raise some flags.

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