Denied

[Donald]

This sounds a little strange, does this sort of thing happen often?

CADORS Number: 2009C0415
Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2009/02/19
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: AOJ 572, a Gulfstream V operated by Avcon Jet of Austria, was en route from Paris-Le Bourget to Los Angeles and near DARUB intersection when the aircraft was denied entry into Canadian airspace. In consultation with the FAA, NORAD and Transport Canada, it was determined that the aircraft and/or passengers did not have the required documentation to land in the United States and Edmonton ACC then denied clearance into Canada and also advised the crew that the aircraft would not be permitted to land in Canada either. The aircraft held in Reykjavik Oceanic airspace for some time before returning to point of origin.

[flying4dollars]

well that sounds cheap!

doh!

[pilotbzh]

no more than 30Kcad$ of fuel anyways....

[swordfish]

Bizarre. No documentation to enter USA, therefore denied landing in Canada?? I wonder how that little tidbit surfaced in the first place.

[E-Flyer]

I wonder how that little tidbit surfaced in the first place.

Simple,

Canada is the united states bitch.

No Offense to anybody, I am canadian my self.

[yfly]

Make sure you check your NOTAMs! The TSA now requires an exemption to depart nearly any foreign land destined for the US. This process takes about a week although they ask for 10 days.

It applies to all departure points except Canada, Mexico, Bahamas and Bermuda. This for non-US registered aircraft.

If this was the reason, the could have landed in Bermuda, then flown to LAX. There in lies the stupidity of the TSA and their ill thought rules.

Why it was denied access to Canada, I don't know, unless someone was on a no-fly list or we really are the "bitch" to the US.

[foxmoth]

maybe it was Al Kyda Air and Osama was onboard?

[Pratt X 3]

maybe it was Al Kyda Air and Osama was onboard?

Yeah, they wouldn't want to catch that guy. They would then have to designate another "evil-doer" to spark fear into the hearts of the innocent citizens of the Good Ole' US of A. I can't wait for them to put up actual physical barriers to keep out the foreigners in their scary airplanes. Maybe blimps with chain-link fence strung between them. I hope that new TV show about Homeland Security spotlights that initiative.

[Liquid Charlie]

Doesn't matter where you go in the world you need the proper permits and over flight permissions -- been that way long before 9/11

[pushyboss]

Actually it's aircraft registered to Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, and Bermuda that are allowed access. Just landing a Yemense registered aircraft in Bermuda would not gain you access stateside.

[yfly]

Doesn't matter where you go in the world you need the proper permits and over flight permissions -- been that way long before 9/11

Actually it's aircraft registered to Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, and Bermuda that are allowed access. Just landing a Yemense registered aircraft in Bermuda would not gain you access stateside.

For a Customs overflight, that is correct. The TSA Exemption is a different animal and has only been in place since Oct 08. It has caught more than a few off guard thinking they had looked after everything by securing a Customs overflight.

[2R]

I feel safer now

[Pratt X 3]

Of course there have been permits before but to deny entry into Canadian airspace due to not meeting a US requirement is a bit too much. Why not allow them to land at the first Canadian port of entry so that the proper notifications could be made? Are we succumbing to the paranoia that the mighty Department of Homeland Security is creating to ensure a bunch of government stooges keep their jobs and funding? It was an Austrian registered plane; not Iranian or Syrian or North Korean or whoever the "bad guys" are this week. The worst thing is that they are now treating Canadians this way. You can't even dangle a wingtip over the border without giving them all the details of who is onboard. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theory guy but this is getting a little bit ridiculous in my opinion. What will be next?

[2milefinal]

"I hate to sound like a conspiracy theory guy but this is getting a little bit ridiculous in my opinion. What will be next?"

TSA check points at all FBOs. I cant wait for that.

[yfly]

"I hate to sound like a conspiracy theory guy but this is getting a little bit ridiculous in my opinion. What will be next?"

TSA check points at all FBOs. I cant wait for that.

That has already started. 2 east coast airports recently where departing crew and pax were frisked on departure. Now mandatory eAPIS is commencing as well. The convenient means of travel for execs is becoming very inconvenient.

The TSA is completely out of control and in my opinion they have accomplished nothing. I guess the illusion of security is good for the traveling public.

[Old Dog Flying]

Soon to come into effect will be the Large Aircraft Security Procedures which will require every flight of every aircraft over 12500 lbs to have a TSA security clearance permit before flight and in some cases the TSA will designate which of these flights will require a Skycop on board...and this is for domestic as well as others. And light aircraft already have to file a passenger manifest and then get permission from the TSA to enter or leave the good old USofA.

Didn't a certain European regime pull this sort of thing in the 1930s?

[yfly]

Soon to come into effect will be the Large Aircraft Security Procedures which will require every flight of every aircraft over 12500 lbs to have a TSA security clearance permit before flight and in some cases the TSA will designate which of these flights will require a Skycop on board...and this is for domestic as well as others. And light aircraft already have to file a passenger manifest and then get permission from the TSA to enter or leave the good old USofA.

Didn't a certain European regime pull this sort of thing in the 1930s?

The requirement is still not mandatory but is voluntary at this time. Another 30 days till mandatory but we may as well get started!