Online Petition to Scrap the Long Gun Registry

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Online Petition to Scrap the Long Gun Registry

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Here is the link so lets pass it around and get rid of this money sucking program once and for all.

http://www.scrapthelonggunregistry.com
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Happily signed.
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Thank you.

I personally think this won't work, but I'll sign it anyways.

"Criminals don't register guns." -- Anon.
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Topspin wrote:Happily signed.
+1
Like about half of the rules in our society today; divised by incompetant, mindless beurocrats to protect us from ourselves while they convice the hoy poloy they've really done something, thereby justifying their slack-ass big pension snivel servant jobs.

Anything to make us safer.

The gun registry in a refeshing way, is one of the few examples where it's considered by the mainstream to be ok to look askance at a peice of regulation.

For the most part we're a bunch of sheep that don't question f*@k all.

I wish there were more descenters out there. I often feel quite alone in a society of brown nosing-idiots.

- "They must find it difficult . . . Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority."
(think I've seen that one around here before, somewhere.)
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b1ngnx33 wrote:"Criminals don't register guns." -- Anon.
Just about the dumbest and most irrelevant quote I've ever heard.

Car thieves don't stop at the MTO to register their cars either, so why should we? Why do those airplanes have letters on them? Why do we need a piece of paper stating that we know how to fly airplanes? How come we need a hunting or fishing licence? Why do businesses need a business licence? Why do restaurants and elevators need a certification of inspection? Why do we have to register boats and motorcycles? Why do we have to register dogs in a city, and need a building permit to add an addition to our house? Why do we have to have a social insurance number to get a job? Why do I have to register my kid for hockey when he should be able to just show up?

It's amazing that in today's world people get so outraged at a simple gun registry when you behave like sheep and happily register everything else. It isn't even the cost that you're mad at, this petition would still be here and you people would be just as angry if the registry cost nothing.
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Rockie wrote:
b1ngnx33 wrote:"Criminals don't register guns." -- Anon.
Just about the dumbest and most irrelevant quote I've ever heard.

Car thieves don't stop at the MTO to register their cars either, so why should we? Why do those airplanes have letters on them? Why do we need a piece of paper stating that we know how to fly airplanes? How come we need a hunting or fishing licence? Why do businesses need a business licence? Why do restaurants and elevators need a certification of inspection? Why do we have to register boats and motorcycles? Why do we have to register dogs in a city, and need a building permit to add an addition to our house? Why do we have to have a social insurance number to get a job? Why do I have to register my kid for hockey when he should be able to just show up?

It's amazing that in today's world people get so outraged at a simple gun registry when you behave like sheep and happily register everything else. It isn't even the cost that you're mad at, this petition would still be here and you people would be just as angry if the registry cost nothing.

It is about cost/benefit ratio where the long gun registry makes no sense.

Having a driver's license and registering cars have huge benefits. Car accidents are the #1 cause of death in this country and registry and licensing help to enforce law, assign blame, compile statistics, and provide identification for numerous purposes. Same with pilot licenses and aircraft registry, etc, etc.

How many people are killed by long guns each year in this country? 3000 or so like car crashes? I don't think so.

What use will this registry have? We already know how many animals get killed because of hunting licenses and tags. And we know who is allowed to have a gun because of FACs.

So unless I decide to snap and start killing people with my registered gun; or someone happens to break into my house, break into my gun safe, steal the gun and break the trigger lock and start killing people; there is no point of spending $1 billion plus more dollars on a long gun registry. Especially when gangland warfare is rampant and they are using unregistered, and illegal Kalishnikovs and Uzis.
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The money's already been spent. Why throw it all away? As for the cost benefit analysis, how many people are killed by dogs? How many are killed by licenced restaurants or lounges? How about elevators?

Cost benefit has absolutely nothing to do with the gun lobby's objection to registration.
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$1 billion plus more dollars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_g ... t_overruns

I highly doubt dog registry runs into the billions of dollars.
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"The money's already been spent. Why throw it all away?"

Ummm, gee, somebody already did....

Clguy, go stand in the corner. You woke up Rockie and now we're all going to pay for it. It was so peaceful around here, talking about tea-bagging and Martin Hartwell. You just had to mention guns, didn't you? :bear:
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What's truly tiresome is this phobia about the gun registry, like the Stasi is going to bust down your door in the middle of the night and take you and your guns away if they know about them. Give it a rest.

I would not choose to spend 2 Billion on setting this thing up, and those that did belong in jail as far as I'm concerned because that kind of money doesn't just fall off the earth. It's sitting in someone's bank account and as a taxpayer I would really like it back. But the money has been spent, and for it we've got the world's most expensive gun registry. But at least we have something for it. Ditch it and the money really has been a waste.

And really, why don't you want the government to know you have guns? What are you afraid of?
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Rockie wrote:The money's already been spent. Why throw it all away? As for the cost benefit analysis, how many people are killed by dogs? How many are killed by licenced restaurants or lounges? How about elevators?

Cost benefit has absolutely nothing to do with the gun lobby's objection to registration.
Sure it does. There are day to day operating costs that are still growing. It's an epic waste of tax payers dollars.
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It's pretty obvious Rockie has no idea what he's talking about. Petition signed.
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Four1oh wrote:It's pretty obvious Rockie has no idea what he's talking about. Petition signed.
Good for you.

By the way, it's spelled "wasting".
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Less government is almost always better government,
because the government does almost everything badly,
because there is no motivation for it to do otherwise.
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I have guns. I have them registered. I am also accountable for them so if they are found to have been used in a criminal act and I did not take the precautions to keep them safe, I deserve what I get. Many that protest, protest that accountability.

I have no problems with the registry.
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Hedley wrote:Less government is almost always better government,
because the government does almost everything badly,
because there is no motivation for it to do otherwise.
Now that right there is the best argument I've heard for getting rid of the gun registry, because there is no denying the truth in Hedley's statement. But nevertheless there are things the government must do even if they do it badly. In the gun registry case the population of Canada wants gun control and this is one aspect of it. The conservatives might sneak it through but it will be another weight on them next election. And their fortunes are already slipping.
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P.S. I crap on the government with some regularity, because
it screws up so often.

But every once in a while, due to some bureaucratic oversight
or outright error, the government does something well, and I
am man enough to applaud them for it.

Specifically, I am referring to CAWIS:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/aviation/applicatio ... .asp?rand=

Click on the link, enter the registration of any Canadian
aircraft, and instantaneously you get the list of all applicable
Airworthiness Directives applicable to the airframe, engine
and props.

This is non-trivial, and tremendously useful, and given
how responsibility in Canada for AD compliance is upon
the aircraft owner's shoulders, a wonderful safety improvement
on the "old way" that we used to do it.

I would hope that the person responsible for the above
got a promotion, juicy pay raise, etc. They probably didn't,
but I would like to think they did.
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Signed.
The phobia with the gun registry has to do with the creeping line effect. Registering guns is a step towards controlling them, and a step towards controlling them is a step towards banning them. You don't win battles by giving ground to your opponent.
Having said that, I don't see registering my guns as a bad thing (and all of mine are). I would not object to the registry if I thought that the antigun doufi would see reason an leave it at that. However, I just don't see the left leaning media and Taliban Jack doing that.

Rockie:
Ok, I'll bite. Why should you need a license to have a cat/dog or open a bussiness and make a living? These really don't seem to be the sort of thing that the government needs to poke their noses into.
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mcrit wrote:Rockie:
Ok, I'll bite. Why should you need a license to have a cat/dog or open a bussiness and make a living? These really don't seem to be the sort of thing that the government needs to poke their noses into.
There are valid reasons for all of the above, but my point is that there are no petitions to scrap anything but the gun registry. Why? The same people going off the deep end on the gun registry obediently line up to register their car, boat, dog, business etc. Seems inconsistent to me unless you don't want the government to know you have weapons in the house for some paranoid irrational reason.
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"The population of Canada wants gun registration."

Remind me again how that was determined? Through the 29% of said populace that bothered to vote?

I hate this topic, I hate the b*llshit. Let's talk about something we all agree on, like abortion or single-engine IFR with passengers or working the ramp before we fly or training bonds or......
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Rockie wrote:mcrit wrote:
Rockie:
Ok, I'll bite. Why should you need a license to have a cat/dog or open a bussiness and make a living? These really don't seem to be the sort of thing that the government needs to poke their noses into.
There are valid reasons for all of the above, but my point is that there are no petitions to scrap anything but the gun registry.
I'd love to hear some of these reasons, because for the most part the above mentioned requirements seem to be a cash grab. (Sorry, just feel like playing devil's advocate tonight :smt040 ). Perhaps petitions against them are in order.
As for the gun registry, a less rabid attitude from the anti-gun faction might result in law abiding gun owners meeting them half way.
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xsbank

Feel free to read the headline of this section of the forum, and then hit the back button. I wouldn't want you to feel unduly stressed.


mcrit

Rabid describes the NRA and similar pro-gun people, not people who support gun control. How many threads on here (this one for instance) are started by gun control supporters compared to the pro-gun people? Go ahead and count them...I'll wait for an answer.


Valid reasons for registering and licencing pets, restaurants, elevators, businesses? Well, it's hardly a complete list but here goes:

1. Consumer protection against dishonest restaurant operators who don't adhere to health regulations. Requiring a licence is a means of ensuring compliance with laws that protect you, and provide a means of shutting down companies that don't.

2. Registering your pet helps return them to you if they go astray. They also allow a city to find the owners and hold them responsible when one misbehaves.

3. Requiring a business licence attaches a name to that business so the authorities know who to speak to when they break the law or steal stuff from you. Again this is for your protection as you'll notice that none of the internet scams for example are legitimate businesses.

4. Cars have to be licenced and registered so the authorities have a record of which vehicles are on the road. So if one is unroadworthy (ie unsafe) they have a means of identifying it and ensuring the owner doesn't drive it. It also identifies a vehicle to police so they can tell if it has been stolen (maybe from you).

5. Licencing an elevator helps ensure it meets safety standards and is subject to regular inspection. You guessed it...for your protection.
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xsbank wrote:"The population of Canada wants gun registration."

Remind me again how that was determined? Through the 29% of said populace that bothered to vote?
No actually.

http://www.guncontrol.ca/Content/Temp/Gallup2001.PDF

I know it's a tad old now, but Canadians don't change their minds much on stuff like this.
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Vancouver is becoming the wild west with killings most every day how come the gun control laws are not working here?
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Rockie....one only has to look at what happened in Australia.

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