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:( I hope this wont last too long. What about the guys with the delayed ground schools? I'm pretty sure WJA wouldn't leave these guys hanging.


From Thursday's Globe and Mail, Thursday, Jun. 04, 2009 03:28AM EDT

TRANSPORTATION REPORTER

The first recession in its 13-year history is cramping WestJet Airlines Ltd.'s WJA-T free-wheeling style and forcing it to adopt a hiring freeze.

WestJet, which takes pride in its upbeat corporate culture, didn't lay off employees after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and even added staff in 2002 and subsequent years. But the recession of 2009 is another story, spurring a sense of urgency to slash costs.

"It is ugly - a recession that none of us have experienced in our lifetime," chief executive officer Sean Durfy said in an internal memo to WestJet's 7,500 employees, detailing a new cost-cutting program designed to chop $25-million in expenses over the next six months.

"Given the state of the economy, for the time being, we will no longer be hiring externally."

As travel demand slumps, WestJet's planes are departing with more empty seats, pressuring management to tighten belts, including introducing early retirement packages and deferring aircraft painting.

In a place where teamwork is emphasized and perkiness is encouraged, the harsh reality of tough times is sending ripples across the company, where departments carry offbeat labels - with human resources named People, executive offices called Big Shots, accounting is Beanland and reception is Welcoming Team.

Founded in 1996, the Calgary-based company has grown steadily and still intends to protect its track record of never issuing layoff notices, even as it struggles to fill planes. WestJet said yesterday that last month's load factor, the proportion of seats filled by paying passengers, fell to 74.1 per cent from 79.5 per cent a year earlier, and was the lowest May load factor since 2005. Traffic fell 5.8 per cent to 1.06 billion revenue passenger miles.

WestJet's unit revenue - a key industry measure of improvement stated in revenue per available seat mile (RASM) - is forecast to decline 16 to 18 per cent in the second quarter from the same period last year. Fare wars against Air Canada AC.B-T have contributed to the lower RASM.

"These results are showing that we are not bullet-proof. We can run one of the best airlines in the world and still be affected by what's going on in the global economy," Mr. Durfy said in his memo, which began with a "Hey Gang" greeting.

Other WestJet cost-cutting initiatives include a 25-per-cent reduction in travel, training and entertainment budgets, deferred spending on non-essential information technology upgrades, optional unpaid leave and decreased commissions to travel agents to 4 per cent from 9 per cent effective July 1, Mr. Durfy said.

"This is the next challenge in front of us that will test the WestJet spirit. I have no doubt we will succeed," he said.

He noted that he is optimistic about the carrier's long-term prospects, but acknowledged some short-term pain. "The 10,000-pound elephant in the room, however, is the economy," Mr. Durfy wrote. "The result of the recession is that our revenues are not growing at the rate we would have hoped. RASM is falling significantly below where we have been over the last couple of years despite our best efforts to stimulate demand and earn increased market share."

WestJet's first-quarter profit fell 29 per cent to $37.4-million, and it's expected to post another profit in the second quarter, in contrast to money-losing Air Canada. Montreal-based Air Canada, which is expected to release its May traffic results this week, saw its April load factor fall to 81.1 per cent from 82.7 per cent, including travellers on its Jazz affiliate.

Air Canada held talks with its unions yesterday on finding ways to avert a pension plan crisis.

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Hopefully they do pick up soon but the fact is that this was bound to happen. Will the new NG's coming this year be deferred?
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What part of "internal memo" do people not understand?!? And we've already cut our target $25M, btw. Now we're looking for more.

As far as I know, new aircraft will not be deferred, but don't be surprised if you see some sitting in Calgary come later this year.

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"WestJet's first-quarter profit fell 29 per cent to $37.4-million, and it's expected to post another profit in the second quarter"

Love that we're going to post a profit still but the sky's falling in. I heard that we're still taking delivery of the airplanes that are scheduled to come to bring us up to 85 this year. Also heard the fleet isn't going to be flying as much, i.e. blocking hours of the planes will be down, but that there will be groundschools this fall.

The recession is hurting but there's going to be a recovery. They want to be ready if suddenly the economy turns around or something else sparks a turn around. If that unionized Jetsgo otherwise known as AC would actually stop selling everything including the kitchen sink at dollar store prices we all might be better off. Talk about How Low Can you Go?!!!
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stickontheice wrote:If that unionized Jetsgo otherwise known as AC would actually stop selling everything including the kitchen sink at dollar store prices we all might be better off. Talk about How Low Can you Go?!!!
Hahahahahah......you WJ'ers are so hypocritical!!
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Donald wrote:
stickontheice wrote:If that unionized Jetsgo otherwise known as AC would actually stop selling everything including the kitchen sink at dollar store prices we all might be better off. Talk about How Low Can you Go?!!!
Hahahahahah......you WJ'ers are so hypocritical!!
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I guess it isn't immediately obvious to some people that AC is cash-flow desperate and will sell their 1st born for a buck lately? Let's face it. It's getting nasty, and will get nastier in the next year. Here's to hoping we all survive relatively intact.
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isn't the term unionized jetsgo an oxymoron?
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is that the best you could come up with jjj?
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JJJ...Once again you expose your level of intellect....Classy. :roll:
Times are tough all over, but for W-Jetters to be blaming seat sale pricing from AC for their reduction in revenue smacks of hypocracy. Perhaps they now know what the folks at Cnd North, and First Air feel, with WJ's agressive pricing in their markets. Out.
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Mattedfrred - no.

Tailgunner - stickontheice's comments have a kernel of truth despite the distasteful comparison to JetsGo.

In 2005 and 2006 or so, the industry was getting hammered by the insanity of the lowest bidder. JestGo was setting the price in the market for the common routes with AC and WS. The irony of JetsGo's demise is that they could have lasted much longer if they had only charged more as the markets could have sustained higher prices and AC and WS would have matched those prices. Pressure on yield in those days was the sole fault of JetsGo.

Sad but true - do your own research - pressure on yield in many markets has been the fault of AC in the last six months. Despite the tough times - there are markets out there that would support higher fares and WS would love to bump the fares too. The irony is not lost on stickontheice who understands that despite the toiugh times all around - there are certain markets where AC could help itself just by raising fares.

BTW - as far as research goes - please look beyond last minute seat sales and odd ball situations like Yellowknife.

Believe me I fully undersatand that WS is no longer the beat down red headed step child it was years ago and is guilty of throwing it's weight around too here and there.

I'll gladly retract my F bomb above if Donald or whiteguy can logically explain why in this case us wj'ers are hypocritical.

One last thing - I harbour no resentment for any competitor in this business. I walk proudly in my goofy uniform and treat my colleagues from other airlines with tremendous respect when out on the line. However when people come after me and my airline - that is when I take a hard stance and get rude.


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My apologies to the JetsGo guys. Don't mean anything by it expect for the company practices are mirroring what AC is doing now. Maybe a unionized Wal-Mart would have been more appropriate.

I wrote my MP today and got a response about not using taxpayer money to bail out that broken business model. Don't want to see AC guys lose their jobs but I am not willing to pay their pension plan with my tax dollars. Obviously the airline can't afford, no matter whos fault it was, it but that seems lost on the unions. It seems its not in the cards to have the happen either. Once AC enters CCCA again they will have to face a restructuring plan that doesn't include taxpayers funding the pension plan. I guess you could sell the 777s and lease them back.

Its amazing to me that AC would even have the nerve to ask the taxpayer to help them out with the level of service they have given to the public over the years. Especially during last Christmas with the level of service their guests received. Now thanks to their incredibly sensitive effort we're all going to be faced with a passenger bill of rights. Bravo.
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jjj wrote:
Sad but true - do your own research - pressure on yield in many markets has been the fault of AC in the last six months. Despite the tough times - there are markets out there that would support higher fares and WS would love to bump the fares too. The irony is not lost on stickontheice who understands that despite the toiugh times all around - there are certain markets where AC could help itself just by raising fares.

Which airline came out with a marketing campaing a few months ago based on "The Lowest Price Guarantee"?
I dont think it was AC or Transat.
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stickontheice wrote:...I wrote my MP today and got a response about not using taxpayer money to bail out that broken business model. Don't want to see AC guys lose their jobs but I am not willing to pay their pension plan with my tax dollars. Obviously the airline can't afford, no matter whos fault it was, it but that seems lost on the unions. It seems its not in the cards to have the happen either. Once AC enters CCCA again they will have to face a restructuring plan that doesn't include taxpayers funding the pension plan. I guess you could sell the 777s and lease them back.

Its amazing to me that AC would even have the nerve to ask the taxpayer to help them out with the level of service they have given to the public over the years. Especially during last Christmas with the level of service their guests received. Now thanks to their incredibly sensitive effort we're all going to be faced with a passenger bill of rights. Bravo.
Government Motors. GM makes sub-standard cars, compared to the other companies. We've bailed them out....
jjj wrote:...I'll gladly retract my F bomb above if Donald or whiteguy can logically explain why in this case us wj'ers are hypocritical.

One last thing - I harbour no resentment for any competitor in this business. I walk proudly in my goofy uniform and treat my colleagues from other airlines with tremendous respect when out on the line. However when people come after me and my airline - that is when I take a hard stance and get rude.
IMO Westjet is the way that airlines have to operate nowadays - unfortunately. Air Canada doesn't seem like they can do it with their way of operating.

But... If airlines hadn't all gone to the discount model the industry might be a lot better, economy notwithstanding. I can see how a "WJ'er" commenting on AC's selling off of everything, and how they shouldn't be hurting the industry by doing it, is hypocritical.

I think WJ is great, and it came out in a time when discount was the way to go, but cheap fares and no service (and no, you do not give service, you give a drink and a cookie) are not helping this industry (and I'm not pointing a finger at WJ in this case, I mean all of the no-frills carriers). I think that pax have got to get this notion of " well , i should be able to fly too, even if I can't afford it" out of their heads. Champagne taste - beer salary. (course they might cost the same on an airline now)
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stickontheice wrote:I wrote my MP today and got a response about not using taxpayer money to bail out that broken business model. Don't want to see AC guys lose their jobs but I am not willing to pay their pension plan with my tax dollars. Obviously the airline can't afford, no matter whos fault it was, it but that seems lost on the unions. It seems its not in the cards to have the happen either. Once AC enters CCCA again they will have to face a restructuring plan that doesn't include taxpayers funding the pension plan. I guess you could sell the 777s and lease them back.
First I would like to ask when has Air Canada asked for a cent of taxpayer money? They haven't, they are simply asking for a let on their pension plans to ease the pain because the stock market retreat as created this insane shortfall which is more of accounting fiction than reality. The 2.8 billion short fall will almost all but vanish when the markets and the economy returns to good health.

I find it extremely odd that any one at Westjet would have the balls to blame Air Canada for low tickets. Westjet has built their airline on undercutting the competition and a little espionage from their competitor. Clive in a recent news interview said "He with the lowest cost wins". Where do you think that low cost comes from? It comes from your pockets. Not to mention the fact that when your little airline started it was paying its staff, especially the pilots significantly less money than what was considered industry standard. You guys started this crappy race to the bottom you can only blame yourself for the results.

And you want to talk about Christmas... first off I saw the genius of how your PR works in YVR first hand. Lines of people moving very slowly then when the cameras show up.. out comes pizza and huge amount of staff to deal with the PAX. It was nothing more than a show. Not to mention every single day Air Canada moved more people out of YVR than Westjet did during the christmas insanity, even with westjet spraying at the gates... which they were eventually fined for.

In any case for those who work at Westjet and are happy there. I think that is great, you have no reason not to be. But don't come out here and start flinging crap.

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WetJet wrote:
jjj wrote:
Sad but true - do your own research - pressure on yield in many markets has been the fault of AC in the last six months. Despite the tough times - there are markets out there that would support higher fares and WS would love to bump the fares too. The irony is not lost on stickontheice who understands that despite the toiugh times all around - there are certain markets where AC could help itself just by raising fares.

Which airline came out with a marketing campaing a few months ago based on "The Lowest Price Guarantee"?
I dont think it was AC or Transat.
Care-anteed, actually. :mrgreen:

I couldn't resist. :lol:
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I think WJ's entry into the Edmonton Yellowknife corridor is a perfect example of the hypocrisy Donald spoke of. I believe they advertised as low as $50 or $75 bucks at one time. Funny thing is the loads on 5T, from what I have seen, are still very, very good and well above what WJ is carrying. Not sure about 7F but Jazz seems to have taken a hit from WJ's entry.
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jjj wrote:Mattedfrred - no.

Tailgunner - stickontheice's comments have a kernel of truth despite the distasteful comparison to JetsGo.

In 2005 and 2006 or so, the industry was getting hammered by the insanity of the lowest bidder. JestGo was setting the price in the market for the common routes with AC and WS. The irony of JetsGo's demise is that they could have lasted much longer if they had only charged more as the markets could have sustained higher prices and AC and WS would have matched those prices. Pressure on yield in those days was the sole fault of JetsGo.

Sad but true - do your own research - pressure on yield in many markets has been the fault of AC in the last six months. Despite the tough times - there are markets out there that would support higher fares and WS would love to bump the fares too. The irony is not lost on stickontheice who understands that despite the toiugh times all around - there are certain markets where AC could help itself just by raising fares.

BTW - as far as research goes - please look beyond last minute seat sales and odd ball situations like Yellowknife.

Believe me I fully undersatand that WS is no longer the beat down red headed step child it was years ago and is guilty of throwing it's weight around too here and there.

I'll gladly retract my F bomb above if Donald or whiteguy can logically explain why in this case us wj'ers are hypocritical.

One last thing - I harbour no resentment for any competitor in this business. I walk proudly in my goofy uniform and treat my colleagues from other airlines with tremendous respect when out on the line. However when people come after me and my airline - that is when I take a hard stance and get rude.


Donald? whiteguy? you're up.
Lol.... Well how about we look past the last 6 months... how about we look past 2005 and the whole Jetsgo situation?? How about we look back to when Westjet started and figured that by paying their employees crap and discouraging full time employment they could leverage those costs savings to make a few bucks? They charged into a market dominated by Canadian Airlines and Air Canada and immediately started under-cutting them and launching price wars on the 'western triangle'. Hmmm.... kinda sounds similar to the whole Jetsgo situation, doesn't it?? How do you think Westjet grew from 3 airplanes to the 70+ it has now?? By charging "what the markets could sustain" and paying their employees a real wage with real benefits? Not even close! The real irony is that Westjetters don't understand that they were the first Jetsgo... They helped to destroy the high standards in wages and benefits that existed in Canadian aviation thanks to Air Canada and Canadian Airlines by launching price wars and undercutting the majors. They have dragged the majority of us down in order so that they could reap the benefits.... So JJJ that is why you are being a hypocrite.... Because Westjet set the example in Canada that the Jetsgos of the world have been following ever since. But when somebody comes along and tries to out Westjet Westjet, you get all bent out of shape! Your airline changed the rules of the game... it should be prepared to live by those new rules and not cry bloody murder every time a competitor tries to win some market share away...
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Good Grief, the outright stupidity and jealousy on this thread is astounding.

WS can make money at the fares offerred. AC can't. This is why the comparison to Jetsgo fits. They are using cash flow to keep things running. If AC could make money on the fares they were charging then they would not have lost the cash that they did the last how many quarters?
But... If airlines hadn't all gone to the discount model the industry might be a lot better, economy notwithstanding. I can see how a "WJ'er" commenting on AC's selling off of everything, and how they shouldn't be hurting the industry by doing it, is hypocritical.

I think WJ is great, and it came out in a time when discount was the way to go, but cheap fares and no service (and no, you do not give service, you give a drink and a cookie) are not helping this industry (and I'm not pointing a finger at WJ in this case, I mean all of the no-frills carriers). I think that pax have got to get this notion of " well , i should be able to fly too, even if I can't afford it" out of their heads. Champagne taste - beer salary. (course they might cost the same on an airline now)
What a load of crap. How well was Canadian doing as a full service carrier? The industry would not be in better shape. Your definition of service is way off. How about not cancelling flights, treating people with courtesy, Live TV, real people answering the phones and not waiting forever, lots of aspects of "service" that WS beats all the competitors. There is loads of "service" with WestJet.
And you want to talk about Christmas... first off I saw the genius of how your PR works in YVR first hand. Lines of people moving very slowly then when the cameras show up.. out comes pizza and huge amount of staff to deal with the PAX. It was nothing more than a show. Not to mention every single day Air Canada moved more people out of YVR than Westjet did during the christmas insanity, even with westjet spraying at the gates... which they were eventually fined for.


Bullshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

WS was never fined. Why would they be? Everything they did for de-icing is a YVRAA approved procedure. The guests get looked after whether the cameras are there or not. Some companies know how to do service. Some don't.
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First off, I was there and watched as your "guests" where not being treated all that great until the media showed up... sorry to burst your bubble but that is simply how it was. Many of your "guests" can attest to that as well. As for the de-icing, your company was spraying at the gates, something that is not allowed or approved by YVR if there is precip just for frost. But you were doing it regardless... why do you think on the last couple days of snow you had to do the huge circle, and sit and wait in the de-ice bays that every other company had to do for weeks? I will tell you, because after YVR warned you to stop.. it was ignored and you continued to spray at the gates.. then they handed you a fine, and surprise... to the de-ice bays you went.
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truedude wrote:First off, I was there and watched as your "guests" where not being treated all that great until the media showed up... sorry to burst your bubble but that is simply how it was. Many of your "guests" can attest to that as well. As for the de-icing, your company was spraying at the gates, something that is not allowed or approved by YVR if there is precip just for frost. But you were doing it regardless... why do you think on the last couple days of snow you had to do the huge circle, and sit and wait in the de-ice bays that every other company had to do for weeks? I will tell you, because after YVR warned you to stop.. it was ignored and you continued to spray at the gates.. then they handed you a fine, and surprise... to the de-ice bays you went.
Wow, you must have really had some time on your hands to be able to observe so much :roll:

WS has hauled out, food, water, pop, snacks for guets in the past and will do it in the future. This is nothing new.

You are still talking out of your ass on the de-icing. Maybe you can tell us how much WestJet was supposedly fined.

The fact is you are throwing some crap on the wall hoping it will stick. Unfortunately all you're doing is ending up with stinky hands.
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truedude wrote:First off, I was there and watched as your "guests" where not being treated all that great until the media showed up... sorry to burst your bubble but that is simply how it was. Many of your "guests" can attest to that as well. As for the de-icing, your company was spraying at the gates, something that is not allowed or approved by YVR if there is precip just for frost. But you were doing it regardless... why do you think on the last couple days of snow you had to do the huge circle, and sit and wait in the de-ice bays that every other company had to do for weeks? I will tell you, because after YVR warned you to stop.. it was ignored and you continued to spray at the gates.. then they handed you a fine, and surprise... to the de-ice bays you went.
Your are an idiot and don't have a clue what you are talking about. Did your mommy tell you this crap?
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