All new young employees have a sense of entitlement.

[SkyWolfe]

Sorry, for all low and medium timers out there like me and a few I know, I would just like to say, we do not all have this mysterious sense of entitlement that seems to be popping up in posts.

I will agree, there are many people I have met that complain when they have to load bags with 250 hours... but you know what? There are a bunch of us that don't mind. I feel the need to first prove myself by dispatch, or ops, or ramp, whatever. If I were an employer (which I wouldn't mind being one day), everyone would work on the ramp/dispatch/whatever, so I could be sure I had the right fit for the company, before blowing coin on a PPC.

Just be aware, we don't ALL have this great sense of entitlement, I knew the way the industry was before joining, and because of that, I have NO expectations of this career... Expect maybe kraft dinner.

Wolfie

[SkyWolfe]

Let me also mention, in terms of entitlement, I DO NOT agree with paying for PPCs or working for free or in extremely unsafe conditions. I figured that was common sense, but in case it is not, I thought I would put this note in

[fortis risk]

Its not the industry its the generation. This generation entering the workforce now has always had everything NOW. Highspeed internet, streaming video to their phone and youtube video. They graduated high school at the height of an economic boom, which meant jobs were easy to come by, and paid well. Essentially they're spoiled, they just need a good spanking.

[SkyWolfe]

Hmmm, well, if its the generation behind mine, I have to say, the kids I have met from this new generation are horrible. Not only is there a sense of entitlement, but they are rude as well. Maybe not all, otherwise I would be a hypocrite, but my brother in law and sister think their sh*t don't stink.

So for that, I do apologize.

[C-GGGQ]

I think you'll find every generation says that about the next generation.

[broompusher]

“Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.”-Socrates

[SkyWolfe]

“Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.”-Socrates

Love it!

[ragbagflyer]

If I were an employer (which I wouldn't mind being one day), everyone would work on the ramp/dispatch/whatever, so I could be sure I had the right fit for the company, before blowing coin on a PPC.

That's just perpetuating the system we have now. I'm not of the opinion that making everyone do medial tasks is the best way to pick the best and brightest. There are better ways to weed people out.

[bornagain1340]

I thought I was the only one that was noticing this...so does that mean that the younger generations are actually getting worse, or we are in fact getting older?

[Doc]

We are, in fact getting older. Cat and I think everybody under 45 are morons. In fact, I'm pretty sure Cat thinks everybody my age are not not quite right in the head.....so, that would make a lot of you (almost all of you, in fact).....shall we say, spoiled little winy brats.

Seriously though.....there definitely is a difference!

[Bushav8er]

Nope, they are getting worse. An "A sense of Entitlement" is the way to define it. When I was young 'older' people were Mr or Mrs, we didn't use the phone without permission and never called anyone at dinner time or after 8pm, one pop a month was a treat, we played outside and came home when called (usually).

The young people today feel they are owed everything and have absolutely no respect for their elders, which means we have to watch low time, know-it-all FOs closer.

[Just another canuck]

Cat and I think everybody under 45 are morons.

In what way, though... in a way, I'm just hoping you don't agree with today's generation of morals, ideologies, whatever. Because, let's face it guys and gals. Today's young generation are not only "not morons", but are much smarter than those that are older... and they're getting smarter. My 14 year old niece probably knows more about computers than most of you old guys, with the obvious exception of those who have studied them. On the other hand, she's also a spoiled, rude little bitch most of the time.

Kids learn faster today. They pick up on tasks easier. Understanding things that took others years to learn, they do in month now. Learning curves are steeper. What you learned in high school, they are learning in elementary. Just because you don't like how someone or some people act, does not mean they are stupid.

But I don't like them either... the whole technological revolution has defined this generation and has destroyed it as far as I'm concerned. But that's just my opinion. I'm sure they kids today will be saying the same about the generation next to them... I guess that's just the way it is.

[C-GGGQ]

i consider my little step brother part of the next generation (11 year differnce). And without a doubt he's dumber.

[SkyWolfe]

Nope, they are getting worse. An "A sense of Entitlement" is the way to define it. When I was young 'older' people were Mr or Mrs, we didn't use the phone without permission and never called anyone at dinner time or after 8pm, one pop a month was a treat, we played outside and came home when called (usually).

The young people today feel they are owed everything and have absolutely no respect for their elders, which means we have to watch low time, know-it-all FOs closer.

Not all low time FO's are from that generation. I don't know if I am considered part of that generation (I'm 24), but I still call people by Mrs., or Mr., pop was only allowed on a weekend, and I came home from the outside when called. Most kids did... Also, some people start their careers in aviation late ie 30.

Cheers,

Wolfie

[Bushav8er]

Nope, they are getting worse. An "A sense of Entitlement" is the way to define it. When I was young 'older' people were Mr or Mrs, we didn't use the phone without permission and never called anyone at dinner time or after 8pm, one pop a month was a treat, we played outside and came home when called (usually).

The young people today feel they are owed everything and have absolutely no respect for their elders, which means we have to watch low time, know-it-all FOs closer.

Not all low time FO's are from that generation. I don't know if I am considered part of that generation (I'm 24), but I still call people by Mrs., or Mr., pop was only allowed on a weekend, and I came home from the outside when called. Most kids did... Also, some people start their careers in aviation late ie 30.

Cheers,

Wolfie

I should have stated that not all youngsters are like this - that would be stereotyping and wrong, but more are like this than in previous years. I have seen them more than once. I had one new hire, that on Fathers Day, when he called his Dad, the first words out of his mouth were - "Buy me a jet-ski?" Of course his car was a 'give me' from Dad too. He also suffered from the "Why are you picking on me?" syndrome, damn near crying, when we tried to teach/correct him. Another had one short season (3 months) on a C180, continually demonstrated poor judgement yet felt he was 'entitled' to be Chief Pilot on a Beaver.

So yes, not all are like this but to those that are 24 going on 12 - grow up, show respect to those that actually have the experience and years, 'earn' your place, do as you're told, learn and move on like the rest of us.

[Invertago]

It's not this next generation so much as it is that the baby boomer generation saw financial success come quite easily (their parents had to work hard to make ends meet) now the baby boomer parents spoiled their kids, and these kids now have grown up with the silver spoon expecting adult life to be as rosy as it was for them as kids. I'm not accusing individuals here as I know you guys are all perfect like me, but, just a general statement of the generational changes this country has seen.

[scopiton]

what your talking about looks like the generation X phenomena
Youngers people seing the world differently and learning faster that's a fact.
whatever is the generation you're belonging to, you also have to adapt to them because you work or will work with them. It doesn't excuse their feeling of entitlement (which is a good expression) but you could also try to accept this little new touch they can bring with them.
for more information here is a link, very interesting
even if operations need sop's, relationship neither behavior have one, and that might be the most difficult thing to accept in this industry...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4126233n

[glorifiedtaxidriver]

Youngers people seing the world differently and learning faster that's a fact.
whatever is the generation you're belonging to, you also have to adapt to them because you work or will work with them. It doesn't excuse their feeling of entitlement (which is a good expression) but you could also try to accept this little new touch they can bring with them.

Which is fine and dandy if they're willing to learn. A good number aren't. They think they know it all already and get offended if you try and correct them or teach them something new.

[flying4dollars]

I don't know what to make of this thread. I think at some point, we've all felt a sense of entitlement, and I don't care what gen your from. Is it more evident with the more recent of generations? Yes, in many cases. I'd be lying if I didn't sometimes feel entitled to something, but only when I feel I've earned it.

Be very cautious, because you may think the young kid who displays any sense of entitlement is just a spoiled brat, but could very well have worked his or her ass off to believe they've earned something.

The problem is that some people can't differentiate between those who feel they've earned something and have, and those who just think everything should be given to them. Sometimes it's not as easy to see as we think.

$0.02

[GoinNowhereFast]

I know a guy who felt he was entitled to a biggest paycheque because he was the most senior. Didn't that he refued to work overtime and others put in 50-60hr weeks. He also happens to be about 60.

[Bushav8er]

... They think they know it all already and get offended if you try and correct them or teach them something new.

This I run into this frequently, some even get a pout on, again, not all, but more than not.

[Cat Driver]

He also happens to be about 60.

I'm a bit older than that GoinNowhereFast and need some advice about what I am worth.

How much do you think I should get paid per day for giving dual on private float planes?

I am not really interested in charging by the flight hour as it is easier to just charge a day rate.

I feel I am worth at least $500.00 per day, do you think that is not enough and I would be selling my time to cheap?

[square]

Working the ramp and the phones and stuff is fun, I always like coming back to base to kick around the hangar with a coffee and help out.

[meflypretty]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOtEQB-9tvk

It's been posted before, but hits the nail on the head.

[scopiton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOtEQB-9tvk

It's been posted before, but hits the nail on the head.

really good