Seniority and Reserve

[Mig29]

Ok, so I gotta a question guys...I am not working for AC/Jazz/WJ but would like to know how do you guys deal with this situation?

You have two guys on reserve...(A is more senior to B guy), and A guy is on a single day while guy B is on a multi-day reserve. Crewsked has an open TWO-DAY pairing and up until now used to call guys in order of seniority. Now, they decide to call junior guy B and assign him the pairing because he is on a multi-day reserve. A guy doesn't even get a phone call or a CHOICE because they feel they would have to draft him for day 2 if he chooses to work that pairing.

Is this fair or right?? What's the point of seniority?

Thanks in advance, just curious to know what your guys to...?

[Obbie]

Whatever is fair and right, is what is written in your collective agreement.

I suggest you go find your answer there.

[Stan_Cooper]

Ok, so I gotta a question guys...I am not working for AC/Jazz/WJ but would like to know how do you guys deal with this situation?

You have two guys on reserve...(A is more senior to B guy), and A guy is on a single day while guy B is on a multi-day reserve. Crewsked has an open TWO-DAY pairing and up until now used to call guys in order of seniority. Now, they decide to call junior guy B and assign him the pairing because he is on a multi-day reserve. A guy doesn't even get a phone call or a CHOICE because they feel they would have to draft him for day 2 if he chooses to work that pairing.

Is this fair or right?? What's the point of seniority?

Thanks in advance, just curious to know what your guys to...?

If both pilots were on multi-day reserve then yes the senior pilot should get called first and offered both trips, or if both pairings were single day pairings. In this case though, there's an operation to run, and I don't think the airline should be forced to pay pilot A a day of overtime while pilot B sits at home on reserve. I'd be worried about working for a company where the working conditions are so good that the flight operation isn't financially viable... And this is indeed the way it works at Jazz.

[mattedfred]

guy B gets it

[mattedfred]

guy B gets it

[Dockjock]

You seem confused by the idea that pilot A was not forced into working on a day off while there is another available pilot (B).

Nonetheless, at AC there is a place in the scheduling system where one can make it known to the scheduler, in advance, that one is willing to work into one's days off. Absent a comment to that effect, they would rightly assume Pilot A is ineligible for a 2-day pairing if he is only on reserve for 1 more day.

[Al707]

Like Dockjock said.

If guy A lets crewsked know he wants to work into days off (at no cost to the company) he gets the trip. No overtime though.

Absent of this knowledge crewsked leaves guy A alone to enjoy his off days and it is assigned to guy B.

The risk for guy A is that if guy B was the last available on reserve it is possible that guy A gets called later and forced to accept a (potentially) less jammy pairing. Unless the days off happen to be G days. O days and T days can be forced to slide. G's not.

[Mig29]

Thanks for reply's so far guys....but I even confused myself on this because I never asked the right question!

So here it goes again....
A guy is on a single day RSV, buddy B is junior and is on a multi-day RSV.
A SINGLE day pairing comes up 'today' and crewsked assigns guy A a pairing without asking him to consider passing, because they want to "save" the multi-day RSV guy B for a two-day trip!

Now this I think is unfair!?? Your thoughts...

Thanks

[Mig29]

I made a mistake guys in explaining this...I apologize.

So here it goes again....
A guy is on a single day RSV, buddy B is junior and is on a multi-day RSV.
A SINGLE day pairing comes up 'today' and crewsked assigns guy A a pairing without asking him to consider passing, because they want to "save" the multi-day RSV guy B for a two-day trip!

Now this I think is unfair!?? Your thoughts...

Thanks

ps. BTW I have read the collec.agreement and it says no where you can do this

[yousuck]

If A is senior to B, and A dont want to work, he can pass and stay home... Thats it! The only time A cannot pass, is when he become the bottom guy or when B guy goes into is days off while A guy dont.. (crewsked cant force anybody into days off if someone else is available for the entire pairing..)

[C-GPFG]

This is not guy A's problem. If there are people below guy A, and he wishes to pass, then it falls to reserve guy B irrespective of how many consecutive reserve days they're scheduled for.

What if the company has 7 day pairings? Do they not assign the guys with 7 consecutive reserve days just incase someone calls in sick for that entire pairing?

[Dockjock]

Mig29, yep that's not fair. But it is all too common in the 604/703/704 world. Unless you're in a union you're screwed. Which is why many believe that a company get the union it "deserves". If a company treats people fairly, perhaps that means no union at all! Otherwise...

[jjj]

If they call just say "Sick day if required." - then go pull a shift at your other job/business that you actually enjoy.

[Mig29]

we have a 'union' but at times I forget that it even exists...

thanks again,