Hey all,
Long time reader (circa 2004), recent registrant, and first-time thread starter...
I'm fairly confident that it's not a possibility, but does anyone think that a 330 hour wonder like myself could eventually progress to a flying position with Air Partners Corp. by starting in an office position with them?
Their Information Technology Specialist job posting is right up my alley (10 years experience doing all that stuff in a very large environment), but looking at their fleet (Citations, Hawkers, etc.) makes me think they'd never let me touch them outside of my pipe-dream!
I certainly don't mind moving, but I do for a dead-end opportunity and can't figure out if the potential for making additional industry contacts while working there is enough justification for a move to another province.
Does anyone have any differing perspectives on this?
Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not looking for shortcuts or to bypass the usual progression, I certainly don't consider myself "too good" for any entry level job whatsoever, etc. I'm just looking for any way to finally break in to the industry since I'm recently unemployed, almost 30 with a CPL, Multi, Float, INRAT complete, and group 1 IFR in progress...
Air Partners Corp.
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Hmm, kindea like, if I take a job at a hospital as an orderly, do you think they might make me a doctor one day? If you want to be a pilot, get a pilot job. A little harsh, I know, but while you may get to know the ins and outs of the company, I don't think it will get you closer to the right seat IMHO. If the job gets you to a major aviation center, it might be used as a base to network from. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Changes in Latitudes
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Agreed. Regardless of how well you get to know the company and how well they are going to like you, its pretty hard to stick a low time pilot with zero commercial experience in the seat of a business jet. You might have a better shot if this were the United States, but it sure isn't. It could bring you a step closer and put you into a good networking position to return to that company when you have some decent experience. If you're unemployed, at least it keeps you in the industry for what I would hope to be a decent wage. Being at least in the industry while making a decent living is not the worst thing in the world and who knows, maybe you'll meet someone who has a friend of a friend that needs a pilot, but understand it won't be for a right seat position in a business jet.Lost Lake wrote:Hmm, kindea like, if I take a job at a hospital as an orderly, do you think they might make me a doctor one day? If you want to be a pilot, get a pilot job. A little harsh, I know, but while you may get to know the ins and outs of the company, I don't think it will get you closer to the right seat IMHO. If the job gets you to a major aviation center, it might be used as a base to network from. Just my 2 cents worth.
You've been reading this board closely I can tell. You put the preemptive "don't attack me for trying to get ahead" disclaimer there. I think its clear that you mean well, and there's nothing wrong with using any skill you've got to make your way into this business. Good luck!Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not looking for shortcuts or to bypass the usual progression, I certainly don't consider myself "too good" for any entry level job whatsoever, etc. I'm just looking for any way to finally break in to the industry since I'm recently unemployed, almost 30 with a CPL, Multi, Float, INRAT complete, and group 1 IFR in progress...
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Seeing as they fly business aircraft. They clients requirements and insurance requirements is what will prevent you. Get a flying job and build up your hours. My friend worked for 3 years in the parts department of a 704 operation and they wont even let him go inside the 1900D.
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It never hurts to ask them...
Remember the other half of Air Partners is Morgan Air which operates a flight school as well as a Cessna 401 and Gulfstream Twin Commander on charter.
Remember the other half of Air Partners is Morgan Air which operates a flight school as well as a Cessna 401 and Gulfstream Twin Commander on charter.
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I don't agree - 95% of corporate is who you know. You can build your time renting or borrowing while you work for them. Show them your work ethic and how you get along. It is no different than working the ramp. It happened with my outfit with, oh 3 people I can think of. Low hours are no impediment to a "right seat jet job" if you get the right company.
Look at the guys that wrote off that Global - high timers.
Look at the guys that wrote off that Global - high timers.
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Hey bro,
I’m right there with xsbank. I personally know someone (not friend of a friend bullshit) who got on a Citation out of YYZ with low low low time.....all single. It’s all who you know.....
Good Luck
I’m right there with xsbank. I personally know someone (not friend of a friend bullshit) who got on a Citation out of YYZ with low low low time.....all single. It’s all who you know.....
Good Luck
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Let me see if I can clear this up so it reflects reality.
Is flying an airplane something that requires super human skills and intelligence....
no.
Is flying as a co-pilot a position where the safety of the flight is dependent on your skills and knowledge with no one else there to help you?
No.
Is it possible to get a co-pilot position on a corporate airplane with very low time.
yes.
That is because flying an airplane is just marginally more demanding than driving a truck.
Is flying an airplane something that requires super human skills and intelligence....
no.
Is flying as a co-pilot a position where the safety of the flight is dependent on your skills and knowledge with no one else there to help you?
No.
Is it possible to get a co-pilot position on a corporate airplane with very low time.
yes.
That is because flying an airplane is just marginally more demanding than driving a truck.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Wow, thanks for all the replies. Even scored a few laughs out of the deal too! 
Lost Lake wrote:...if I take a job at a hospital as an orderly, do you think they might make me a doctor one day?
Changes in Latitudes wrote:You've been reading this board closely I can tell. You put the preemptive "don't attack me for trying to get ahead" disclaimer there.
I really appreciate all the different points of view.Cat Driver wrote:... flying an airplane is just marginally more demanding than driving a truck.
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Quote: “Is flying as a co-pilot a position where the safety of the flight is dependent on your skills and knowledge with no one else there to help you?”
It could well be! An example just last month was Continental 61 where the skipper died over the Atlantic. In that instance there was apparently another company pilot in the back who came forward to help the designated F/O safely finish the flight. However, there have been a number of similar flights where the captain either died or was incapacitated and the F/O on his own brought the plane back to a safe landing. This happened a couple of years ago with a Ryanair flight from Stansted to somewhere in Eire, which returned single pilot to Stansted when the skipper became incapacitated. When the captain of a big iron passenger aircraft becomes incapacitated in flight it is a good idea to have the right front seat occupied by someone who can contribute more than a sack of potatoes.
There are three reasons to have two competent pilots up front. First is to share the workload. Second is to serve as a safety check on each other. Third is to safely bring the plane back when the other becomes incapacitated. Always remember No. 3 and hope it does not happen on your flight!
It could well be! An example just last month was Continental 61 where the skipper died over the Atlantic. In that instance there was apparently another company pilot in the back who came forward to help the designated F/O safely finish the flight. However, there have been a number of similar flights where the captain either died or was incapacitated and the F/O on his own brought the plane back to a safe landing. This happened a couple of years ago with a Ryanair flight from Stansted to somewhere in Eire, which returned single pilot to Stansted when the skipper became incapacitated. When the captain of a big iron passenger aircraft becomes incapacitated in flight it is a good idea to have the right front seat occupied by someone who can contribute more than a sack of potatoes.
There are three reasons to have two competent pilots up front. First is to share the workload. Second is to serve as a safety check on each other. Third is to safely bring the plane back when the other becomes incapacitated. Always remember No. 3 and hope it does not happen on your flight!
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Yes, there have been instances where the PIC has died or become incapacitated and the co-pilot landed the airplane.
One would also hope that a pilot who has reached the point in his her career where they are being given training on another type of airplane would be able to land same if the training pilot died...but on the other hand I guess there are some so inept that they maybe couldn't.
How would someone learn to fly a single seat airplane like say a Spitfire?
Or is that to dangerous to even talk about?
One would also hope that a pilot who has reached the point in his her career where they are being given training on another type of airplane would be able to land same if the training pilot died...but on the other hand I guess there are some so inept that they maybe couldn't.
How would someone learn to fly a single seat airplane like say a Spitfire?
Or is that to dangerous to even talk about?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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the link trainer of course!
Cat Driver wrote: How would someone learn to fly a single seat airplane like say a Spitfire?
Or is that to dangerous to even talk about?
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surfviper
I dont have enough fingers and toes to tell you the number of guys and gals that did just that:)...some of them on the nicest corporate machines money can buy...
Whatever you need at the time man......like cat said its not rocket science....
Careful though....you maybe so good in the office and make so much more money that you will question if going to the line is really what you want....
night
Cal
I dont have enough fingers and toes to tell you the number of guys and gals that did just that:)...some of them on the nicest corporate machines money can buy...
Whatever you need at the time man......like cat said its not rocket science....
Careful though....you maybe so good in the office and make so much more money that you will question if going to the line is really what you want....
night
Cal
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Holy Crap. I agree 100% Mr Driver.Cat Driver wrote:Let me see if I can clear this up so it reflects reality.
Is flying an airplane something that requires super human skills and intelligence....
no.
Is flying as a co-pilot a position where the safety of the flight is dependent on your skills and knowledge with no one else there to help you?
No.
Is it possible to get a co-pilot position on a corporate airplane with very low time.
yes.
That is because flying an airplane is just marginally more demanding than driving a truck.
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