PK Screws.

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PK Screws.

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It seems to be happening more and more regularly these days. I go to pull off a panel and lo and behold, someone has gronched a bunch of PK screws into some machine screw anchor nuts.

Now, I am not above simply filling the hole with something that looks decent from the outside if I just finished putting in a panel with a billion screws, one nut is f*cked, and customers are waiting. This is provided that it is not structural and if the screw happens to fall out it won't affect the airworthiness of the aircraft.

But with lots of these, I don't even have to run a tap through the nuts to get them to accept a machine screw!

So what is the reason for this? Too lazy to get the right screw? Shop is too cheap to buy the right screws? Plain ignorance? :evil:
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Great question, I think it boils down to a mixture of things. Owners opening panels themselves and then not realising the handfull of screws they have now are a mix and they are clueless to figure out where they go. Kind of like most cessna singles, your know the tail access covers over the stab? Most are pk and a couple are machine. Lazy ass mechanics who cant be bothered to run back to stores to get the proper screw, being rushed and using poor judgemnt on using the wrong screw, Some guy working out of the back of his truck who has very limited inventory and just makes do so he can collect a cheque? If you find the answer Ifly, please let me know.
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It takes a bit more time but where there is a difference in screws I screw them back where they belong after I remove the panel / cowling.

Saves losing them also. :mrgreen:

( If you let a pilot help be careful he doesn't lose the airplane. ) :mrgreen:

If you lock a pilot in a room with two steel balls, what will you find come morning?

He has broken one and lost the other. :mrgreen:
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I like to make a cardboard template in the approximate shape but miniature of the panel and then punch the screws through there.

Makes it damn near a pleasure to put them back in.

Not only are they the right type and size, they're the right length!!

Learned that from the old guys working heavy-checks on big iron.
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Sept got it on all counts.

I propose the colour screw solution.

All PK screws have to made yellow. Why? Don't have a clue.

All machine screws have to made green.

All Cessna PK screws have to purple.

All coutersunk screws have to be banned because they are effing hard to get out, especially cherry countersunk.

Countersunk screws will be the colour red, as opposed to blood effing rage red in the face because some dolt put 1000 lbs
of torque on it and now it won't come out because it is now cold welded to the effing frame.
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Thats great untill they get filled up with paint. Speed tape for everything!
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Another flaw with the colour theory.

What if you are colour blind?

I say put braille symbols on them just in case......


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braille

Wow! so not just Michelin but Braille...........Viva la France!
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I've always wondered what the PK stood for... I've always had a good guess, but I want to see if my suspicions can be confirmed...
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Psychokinesis (PK)


Psychokinesis, a form of psi, meaning that apparently it is a technique of mind over matter through invisible means. Examples of PK are movements of objects, bending of metals, and determining the outcome of events. It can occur spontaneously and deliberately which indicates it is both an unconscious and conscious process.



This is it, isn't it? Because the little buggers are pure magic!
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The cardboard template works fine, IF the last person knew what the hell he was doing.( wanna put your licence/ life on the line??)

From personal experience there has been numerous times when I've noticed fuel/hyd/oxy lines with PK's(the worst) or not correct length screws installed which have chaffed into the line BIG TIME.

So now you re install these because that was the way they came out?
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AntiNakedMan wrote:I've always wondered what the PK stood for... I've always had a good guess, but I want to see if my suspicions can be confirmed...
I have always thought PK was a shortened acronym for PeeKay, the name of the company that makes the screws. :smt102
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P-K
Parker-Kaylon company. The original manufacturer.
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Golly. All these years I figured it stood for "Pointy Kind"
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I once stopped an apprentice with RTV silicone. "Where are you going with that," I asked. "Some screw won't hold," he answered. He was going to dip the screw in sealant and just plug it up there.

Now none of those panels are structural, I know but we put a lot of hours on those airplanes and they get inspected way more than once a year. The tinnerman nut was broken, is that a reason to gunk up my inspection panels I ask you? Ok the kid was still in school but that's not where you learn that kind of thing. He had done an internship at a local FTU/AMO and told us it was accepted practice. I know, you are already asking "what else...." so did I.

At the base of it all, we're mechanics. We are supposed to fix things?!

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P.S. There are four panels held with rivnuts and machine screw on our airplanes, every year we get PK's in there.
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There's all different kinds.

I do distain 'gluing' screws in, but I've seen a lot worse.

I was contracting for Harmony doing the nighty 'A/B' checks in YVR on the 757. We go up to the elevator PCUs to grease them and find about 25% of the screws missing on each panel (and a whole pile of Skydrol too). Go to their maintenance rep, and we are told to grease everything up and leave the screws--he didn't have any extras as we were in the old BCIT hangar, and most of the nuts were f*cked anyways. I told him that he had to sign it out, because I sure as hell wasn't!
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Rubber screws....

I never worked for ACE.

but I heard...
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You need to work more third party stuff. You'll hold your nose on the occasional basis. I always shoot for perfect, but once in a while I've had to settle for safe.
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So what is the reason for this? Too lazy to get the right screw? Shop is too cheap to buy the right screws? Plain ignorance?

The same reason most AMES and Pilots in Canada are paid shit,, because they are SHIT! I think theses are the same people that tried to put the square peg in the round hole... but with our "no one left behind" mandate in Canada, these people become AMES and Pilots...

On another note, Whats better, PK screws? or Rivnuts and machine screws?

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Strega

Who pissed in your cornflakes? I see you are back in the maintenance area, pissing off AMEs again. Good work, you fruitcake! :rolleyes:
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Strega wrote:
So what is the reason for this? Too lazy to get the right screw? Shop is too cheap to buy the right screws? Plain ignorance?

The same reason most AMES and Pilots in Canada are paid shit,, because they are SHIT!

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Strega, I gave you a Strike 1 in January about threadjacking and baiting pilots and AMEs so this time it's a Strike 2.

If you genuinely think that way about pilots and AMEs then perhaps it's time to move onto a non-aviation-related forum. Either that, or stop antagonizing the pilots and AMEs here. The only reason I'm not nuking your account outright is that some of your posts are genuinely helpful, and as you have posted over a thousand posts on AvCanada (not including the ones we have had to delete) it appears that you might find this place of value.

Play nice, please. Or else.
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torquey401 wrote:Strega

Who pissed in your cornflakes? I see you are back in the maintenance area, pissing off AMEs again. Good work, you fruitcake! :rolleyes:


Explain to me why someone would put a "wood screw" (pk screw) in a tapped hole?
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longjon wrote:The cardboard template works fine, IF the last person knew what the hell he was doing.( wanna put your licence/ life on the line??)

From personal experience there has been numerous times when I've noticed fuel/hyd/oxy lines with PK's(the worst) or not correct length screws installed which have chaffed into the line BIG TIME.

So now you re install these because that was the way they came out?
Longjon, obviously, and with all due respect, I do not do anything with the expectation that the person before me did it exactly right.

Most of the time, you can tell there is no threat to a fuel line or control cable or whatever in behind the panel you're installing. In that case, if the screws look right and come out of your template, they'll probably go back in just fine.

Alternatively, and operating on the basis that the world is going to hell in a hand basket, you could throw all the hardware in a '24 beer-flat'. Then, armed with an 8-32 & 10-32 thread-chaser, calipurs, a depth gauge and a magnifying glass, you could figure out what each screw is suposed to be. You could even finish by prying up one one corner of the panel before you put the last screw in and stick a borescope in there to confirm everythng is copasetic.

There's no limit to how carefull a person could be. You also have to use a little judgement and common sense. I personally like the template.

Its a good starting point anyhow.

PS - Annecdotal story: I once flew a 185, (put about 5 hours ferry time on it), and found later during 'post-purchase' inspection, that the main fuel line under the floor had been violated by a drill bit at some point in it's life. Dead center hole about 1/8" right through it. The repair: A piece of rad hose, split and filled with RTV & a hose clamp around it. Beautifull.

I am very leary of 'shooting blind' through any hole, be it with a drill bit, a PK or a machine screw, (or an appendage of my body :lol: ). It's something all of us should be more cognisant of.
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Well Strega does have a point about putting a self tapping screw into a threaded anchor nut (Uggghhh now I feel dirty).

I'd still turf him though. He never brings anything to the table other than hate and bitterness. :smt021
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Strega wrote: Explain to me why someone would put a "wood screw" (pk screw) in a tapped hole?
I "would screw" a "tapped hole". Perhaps Strega, one day you too will find out what it feels like to tap a "screw hole". Sometimes "screw holes" are not co-operative, and it takes a few tries before the "screw hole" will allow a screw to penetrate, but with some time and persistance the "screw hole" will accept the screw and the end result can be fabulous, especially if there is a fair bit of time invested in trying to get the "screw hole" to accept the screw. Some of the older "screw holes" are a little rusty, and may reqiure techniques that can be taught by collegues that have spent some time over the years working on rusty "screw holes", it seems that over time these "screw holes" forget thier role in life and cannot perform thier duties due to a lack of regular, routine screwing. It seems only older "screw holes" get rusty, the younger ones don't seem to be as easily affected by this, but I have found using some lube while screwing these younger "screw holes" prevents them from getting rusty, and although I might never meet him I am sure the next guy to get in there and screw that hole I lubricated appreciates my efforts. There is great pleasure to be found, not to mention job satisfaction in properly screwing a tapped hole, and the change in general outlook and personality it provides could be a great benefit to someone like yourself. Strega, you REALLY need to discover the benefits of screwing, and more importantly, proper screwing.
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Hey where did the USS Strega boat go?
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