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Helmets and Fixed-wing

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Hi,
I am wondering why more fixed wing pilots don't wear helmets during activities like pipeline patrol. I read here (http://www.int-birdstrike.org/London_Pa ... %20WP3.pdf) that 71% of birdstrikes occur at less than 500ft agl, which is often the heights in which pipeline patrols fly at. I know that many helicopter pilots wear helmets with visors for the added protection - why is it different for fixed wing?

This report (http://www.int-birdstrike.org/Warsaw_Pa ... 0WPSA1.pdf) about birdstrikes that have destroyed aircraft and/or were fatal to pilots has some interesting stats:
Aeroplanes 5,700 kg and below – 27 fatal accidents killing 58 and destroying 42 aircraft.
Helicopters – 5 fatal accidents killing 9 people and destroying 8 helicopters.

Aircraft of 5,700 kg and below as well as helicopters are most at risk from windshield penetration, mainly the result of
collision with birds of prey (Accipitriformes).

‘General aviation’ aeroplanes are most vulnerable to the windshield being holed, the
cause of 52 % of the accidents. Birds of prey (Accipitriformes) were responsible for half of
the accidents. This group of aircraft mostly fly at heights where birds are most prevalent.
Here are some incidents where I think helmets may have helped:
While filming aerial sequences low over a lake with the windshields removed from the open
cockpit biplane, a Jackdaw (Corvus monedula, 230 gm) passed through the propeller disc.
The pilot was struck in the face and almost knocked unconscious. He pulled up sharply to
avoid the water and hit power lines. There was a flash and the aircraft dived into the lake,
both occupants escaping. The pilot suffered severe facial cuts needing 50 stitches.

While in the climb on a flight from Atlantic City to Philadelphia, PA the aircraft struck a flock
of geese (Anser sp.) destroying the windshield. One or both pilots were incapacitated
resulting in an uncontrolled descent into the sea.

A Ruppell’s griffon vulture (Gyps rueppellii, 7.5 kg) holed the windshield killing the pilot.

As the floatplane was on final approach to a water-landing a bird, believed to be a
Cormorant (Phalacrocorax sp, up to 2.4 kg) holed the windshield. The pilot was stunned and
his face cut by his glasses, he came-to in the water. He released himself from the
submerged, inverted aircraft and was rescued by a nearby boat.

At 70 kts just after take-off, the windshield was shattered by a bird, wind blast impairing the
pilot’s vision. After landing and shutting down, the back of the aircraft was found to be on fire.
The pilot escaped but the aircraft was burnt out. It is believed the bird damaged a fuel line
allowing fuel to spray onto the hot exhaust.

Just after take off the pilot spotted geese (Anser sp.) but one penetrated the windshield and
hit the pilot. He cut the power and attempted to re-land but went off the end of the runway
into a building. The aircraft was destroyed.

About 20 miles from Addis Ababa, the aircraft collided with a White-backed vulture (Gyps
africanus, 5.4 kg). It struck the windshield causing the support structure and both windshields
to fail and collapse into the cockpit. The crew, although injured, maintained some control and
continued to Bole airport.

The South African registered aircraft was on final approach to the airport in the eastern
coastal port town near the Tanzanian border. It collided with a vulture (Gyps sp), which
came through the windshield breaking the pilot’s neck. The aircraft crashed and burned
killing the front seat passenger and resulting in severe burns to the passengers in the rear
seats.
Please don't misunderstand me, I don't think helmets should be worn for all types of flying (flight training, charter, etc). I'm just thinking about the higher risk (pipeline) activities.

Thoughts? Agree? Disagree?
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Re: Helmets and Fixed-wing

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Huh. Whenever I get into a helicopter, I wonder why the pilot DOES wear a helmet. I mean, he's not making anyone else wear one. "What does he know about this flight that he hasn't told the rest of us ?", is what I wonder.
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It is the same as the X-Ray tech standing behind the glass while all you have is a lead pack to protect the family jewels. Risk associated with repeated exposure.

Helmets are pretty common for crop dusting anymore. Most of the missionary/NGO agencies flying fixed wing in the bush fly with helmets as well.

I do a bit of low flying (wildlife telemetry/inventory) and I would feel safer wearing a helmet. But it really isn't in the company culture here and most of our flying is much higher.
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When I fly at at low altitude, I always wear a condom
and an ejection seat, so I'm ready for anything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_Condom_Use
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I don't think helmets and fixed-wing are a big deal really. In certain applications they make complete sense for sure, such as crop dusting, fire-fighting, etc. In the summer I primarily do off-strip work in the arctic in a turbulent Otter on wheels, and some of the strips are fairly short, often with a drop or cliff at the end. Also, a lot of time is spent approaching behind the power curve, low to the ground. If something goes wrong 10 feet off the ground at 55 mph, chances are it would be survivable, (not much worse than a car crash) but I might get banged up pretty good.
So, I went and got a helmet. It's light, comfortable, quiet, has a yellow visor (good for flat light on skis I find) and a sun-visor. The sat-phone and other misc electronics plug into to it as needed, and if NVG's get approved for fixed wing anytime soon I'll be one step ahead of the game :) (or I decide to get into rotary, which I have, its just a matter of time and $$$)
Also, a lot of sound waves enter the body through the back of the skull, which is protected with a helmet...piston Otter drivers...? You should think about it :wink:

I totally love it, it's the best money I've spent so far. You gotta look out for #1, yourself...so if there are ways to make the job safer, or to wear equipment that will keep you safe, do it! Some people say that it "was a lot of money"...but it's all relative. I've seen folks spend as much at the bar in one night with nothing to show for it the next day except a tattoo and a headache, where a helmet is good for a long time, and prevents headaches.
I get a few weird looks from customers, but I don't care...it's just a matter of 'training' people to accept it as the norm. When chopper pilots first started wearing helmets I imagine it may have been similar until it became a common sight. Nowadays, a heli-pilot without a helmet is the odd man out.

Like everything though it has to be within reason. A jet jockey with in a Hawker 800 wearing a brain-bucket would be a little weird, for sure. Hopefully they'll catch on though for some other applications, I'm all for it!

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Is there any reason other than culture as to why a helicopter pilot would wear a helmet and a fixed wing doing specialty flying would not? Putting bird strikes aside, what about actual crashes. Wouldn't wearing a helmet be beneficial in either case?

On another note, I read that some helmets give 50dB of noise reduction compared to about 23dB on the DC headsets!
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To a certain extent, it's just a culture thing, as Dave has demonstrated, preferring as he does quiet, comfort, and additional safety over and above looking like a dork (just pulling your leg Dave, I'm sure you look like a dork but that's never stopped me from wearing any kind of hat :wink: ) Same as why some pilots wear flight suits or some kind of uniform, and some wear jeans and cowboy boots. Having said that, crashing in an aeroplane usually involves stopping really, really suddenly and being impaled/crushed/burned, whereas crashing in a helicopter usually involves stopping really, really suddenly, being impaled/crushed/burned AND being severely beaten about the head and neck by heavy, sharp, spinny things that just came unglued a few feet over your head. I'd wear a helmet, too.
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All the MAF guys in Papua wore helmets... it was mandatory I think. I also knew a couple Porter drivers for various companies that wore them as they were going into some pretty dangerous stuff... going off in the tulips seemed to be a common occurrence. I also know a couple survey pilots that wear them. Personally, I'm not sure I could ever get used to the idea. Too much weight and you can't get your head right against the head rest which makes sleep more difficult. :)
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culver10 wrote:How about a bear suit ? :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3CzYw5-qdA
Haha culver10, I was thinking about that also! (Not seriously of course).
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My understanding was that so many helicopter crashes are low speed rollovers where the blades have a good chance of whipping into the cockpit. In such instances a helmet improves your survival. Fixed wing accidents on the other hand have a lot more momentum involved and a helmet doesn't have as much a chance of saving you, but shoulder harnesses sure do. They should be mandatory up front in my opinion.
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I agree on the shoulder harness thing too.

I got a free ride in a 59 Piper Comanche with just the lap belt, and I thought, "Jesus Christ! This is legal? If we slam on the brakes too hard I'll have all kinds of knobs and buttons indented on my face!"

If I were the owner of that plane, instead of getting a new paint job, I would have put some friggin shoulder harnesses in.

Oh, and to get back on topic, here's a helmet that I would wear.

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SuperDave, what type of helmet did you get and from where ?
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It is worth noting that some helmets are not approved for R/W. I needed to rebuild one a (HGU-33) that I used for R/W, Flight Suits in California would not rebuild it for that application, they said it was only approved for F/W. Point being that there are different forces at play in R/W than F/W accidents :shock: .
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iflyforpie wrote:I would feel safer wearing a helmet.
I thought the doctor said you should wear the helmet all the time....



If I ever get into fling wing this is the only headgear I am wearing c/w cigar and raybans.

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niss wrote:
iflyforpie wrote:I would feel safer wearing a helmet.
I thought the doctor said you should wear the helmet all the time....
I find it hard to fly the plane with a helmet though...

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i am considering buying a helment for single engine fixed wing low alt. survey. any recomendations? are the ones aircraft spruce sell any good? can i used any headset with them? what are the crop dusters using?

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SOS,

Go Gentex. My father bought one of their helmets about 30 years ago & it is still going strong. I bought one about 3 years ago and love it. Go light & super-comfort liner.

www.flightsuits.com

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[quote="Hvd2Pilot"]SOS,

Go Gentex. My father bought one of their helmets about 30 years ago & it is still going strong. I bought one about 3 years ago and love it. Go light & super-comfort liner.

http://www.flightsuits.com

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Another option is a Gallet Helmet. They are comfortable and probably lighter than any other helmet, add a Zeta Liner and an Oregon Hush Kit. Google "Merit Apparel" and they will provide all of the options, they are very helpful and a lot of rotorheads use these helmets.
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Might as well throw in Alpha's too for good measure. Approved for fixed and rotary wing apps.

Wearing an Eagle, myself.

http://www.interactivesafetyproducts.co ... elmets.php
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Hedley wrote:When I fly at at low altitude, I always wear a condom
and an ejection seat, so I'm ready for anything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_Condom_Use

Love the comment!!

So i guess if 71% of birdstrikes are at 500' AGL we should all wear a helment for take off and landing?
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So i guess if 71% of birdstrikes are at 500' AGL we should all wear a helment for take off and landing?
No, I don't really think would make sense seeing that for the average pilot, such a low percentage of time is spent at that altitude. I was suggesting that head gear may not be a bad idea for the type that spends practically all their time doing low altitude work.
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wxguy wrote:
So i guess if 71% of birdstrikes are at 500' AGL we should all wear a helment for take off and landing?
No, I don't really think would make sense seeing that for the average pilot, such a low percentage of time is spent at that altitude. I was suggesting that head gear may not be a bad idea for the type that spends practically all their time doing low altitude work.
I guess i should have put in a ";)" because i was just joking.
I have done a lot of wildlife survey work at low alt. Hit a couple birds too... except for once, i didn't even feel it hit the a/c. I knew i came close to the birds but, I didn't even know I'd hit them, until getting on the ground and saw a the blood and feathers on the strut or cowl. The other time i was in a King Air and it cracked the outer window
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[quote="ragbagflyer"]My understanding was that so many helicopter crashes are low speed rollovers where the blades have a good chance of whipping into the cockpit. In such instances a helmet improves your survival. Fixed wing accidents on the other hand have a lot more momentum involved and a helmet doesn't have as much a chance of saving you, but shoulder harnesses sure do. They should be mandatory up front in my opinion.[/quote]

This is correct. It is also why the pilot (on American aircraft) sits on the right. If the blade comes into the cockpit, it'll likely miss the pilot and take out the passenger. On European aircraft, it is opposite - the blades turn backwards
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